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Sam.:
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 thats sucks real bad, thats not cool at all, i'm a cheap guy!  haha lol... Man, sure as hell hope this doesn't effect the online digi fansubs. But On the otherhand its good for the creator since he doesn't get ripped off. I wonder if they are going to put their "Made in Japan" logo on CDs and manga too or just anime DVD and Video games?? ahhhhhh this sucks
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Darkener
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dude what are you on?...
 anyway, I find this wasteful... it isn't like people can't tell the difference between the two... if they really want to lower piracy in those asian countries just lower the price of their goods so more people are less likely to buy a fake because it is cheaper... since this is what happens when they price themselves out of the market...
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one3rd
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Actually, it is like that. |
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Kazuki-san
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Maybe for newbies to anime, but anyone who has been around it for awhile can tell the difference between a boot and a legal copy (most of the time). The real problem is, how do they keep them from copying the mark? Of course if they do copy the mark and it's a registered trademark they can sue the company that copies it, but only if they know what the company is and where it is. |
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Sam.:
Posts: 136 Location: ANN WebSite. |
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there are a few way you can spot pirated/bootleg products. yeah i agree with you that normal people cant tell the difference, but almost all anime fans know that unlicensed products are less expensive and the anime quality is usualy low. Except for the fansub online torrent files the quality is pretty good. I love technology. don't you? i guess the anime quality just depends on the original source recording.. ..i mean really tho, you can tell by the shitty packaging, bootleg products have bad box art work. Compared to the official products which have crisp, sharp neat and clean art work. Also, bootleg products have no copyright info because they can get in trouble for selling that. There English translation is garbage, but still man; like i said not everyone is rich. You gota do whatcha gota do! surely if i had the money it would be a diffrent story. but damn those torrent files are key. its only going to get better. wow i'm amazed how much technology has improved over the last 5 years. Human beings are definatly ahead of their time. haha 
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jfrog
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You know, you can find legitimate used merchandise for pretty cheap, too. Bootlegs support the Triads. But that's OK, because prostitution and drug trafficking are fine as long as it's not in your own backyard.
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Erufu
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I totally agree that anime fans can tell the difference between a Hong Kong bootleg and a licensed product. The biggest sign is that the whole series comes in a box set that folds out like a trifold. Others include the ability to play on any region DVD player and they are subbed in both English and Chinese.
I don't buy bootlegs, but I have been worried about the online subs. More and more anime is getting licensed faster in the states, putting a damper on anime dl. There's 2 problems I have with actual licensed anime: 1.) The price is out of this world! 4-5 episodes for $30 is just awful. It kills me to know I can pay $40-$60 to get a full season of an American series. And, for people that argue you can buy them used, it really doesn't matter if you are saying dl anime is ripping the company off. They don't make any money from used DVD sales. 2.) The quality of the sub kills me! I have seen many fan subbed anime that is better done than the ones on the store shelves. It's very annoying when they put the translation of the song playing in the bg on the bottom of the screen and then proceed to bounce it up and down when a character is talking. Fansubs put it at the top usually in a different color and italicized. Also, fansubs check for quality and redo it if there is a mispelling. They also give you the most pure translation possible. And they position the text effectively when there is more than one person talking. |
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Nagisa
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Hmm...
Ah...such a quotable column, this time around. 
Who said any of us were rich? Yeah, you gotta do what you gotta do, and YOU gotta get a job, pal. Don't be part of the cancerous plague upon the anime subculture like you are now.
Go to Japan, then. Go over there and pay $60 for two episodes. And that's with one language option, no subtitles, and the bare minimum Extras. Considering we usually get three to seven episodes per disc at half the price, two (or more) audio tracks, subtitles, and as many or more Extras than the Japanese...yeah, we don't have much room to complain, really.
Mass Naked Child Event. Yeah, the amateur college students are really whipping the professional translators, lemme tell ya. 
And if you don't think professional distributors proofread and edit their own work, then you're just an absolute lost cause in terms of any sort of sense. Yeah, sometimes mistakes get through. But the grammatical and translational errors I've seen get through a fansubber's editing stage are far greater in number and far worse than the likes of ADV & Geneon. |
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Kazuki-san
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It seems this discussion is being had quite frequently all over the boards.... So anyway, how about trying out best buy or online retailers? They sell most of their anime for around $20 not $30. As Nagisa said go to Japan and pay $60 for a dvd that has 2 eps on it and few extras and then complain about the price we pay. Anime companies are charging what they have to, to be able to make back all the money they spent in bringing the series here in the first place, and making the dub, and also turn a bit of a profit. I've ranted on this enough before, so I'll cut it short here. I'm sure some fansubs groups check their releases, but most don't. In fact, I've come across many with blatant spelling and grammer errors. As far as the actually subs go, DVD specs limit what colors you can use (I believe it's 4) and also what kinds of fonts that you can use that will be legible while also being small enough to not take up a signifigant amount of space on the screen, and also physical space on the dvd itself. As far as a "pure translation" that's a matter of hit and miss, some are spot on translations, and some are out in la-la land, and I find just as many of one as the other, and many in between the two. |
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Sam.:
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lol I don't care what you think dude. Just because u got 3000 posts on here doesn't make you the boss of anyone. next time if you have something positive to add then say it. quit being so negative all the time. btw are you not a happy person? Anytime a newbie comes along all you do is nag nag nag.
Yes! Yes! your right that i'm a college student threfore i don't have a lot of money to throw around. but listen here Dr. Nagisa. I didn't say anything about buying bootlegs that were already licensed in the U.S. Actully, I was talking about the one's that were not licensed in the U.S.  Although i do own a few bootleg dvds, i mean who doesn't these days. i bet eveyone of you out there owns a few bootleg dvds. I believe in the theory spend your money wisely, not foolishly.  
i do have a job, i got 2 jobs pal. i'm saving my money so i can pay off my college loans as soon as possible. sure i understand where your comming from too Nagisa. you are probably thinking that bootleg dvds are hurting the anime industry because they lose a lot of money. yeah your right?. i truly feel sad for anime industry  but look on the positive side bro, bootleg dvds are not hurting the anime fan base. In fact i think that bootleg dvds are expanding the anime fandom. since they are so cheep. A lot more people are going out and buying anime products WHY?? because they are cheap. WHY ARE THEY CHEAP? because they are pirated.
this new "Made in Japan" logo idea can be compared to the napster issue between music artists and music fans a few years ago. You know exactly who won that one. therefore i think no one can stop the problem of download of unlicensed anime online, Now that eveyone has broadband internet access. But i think its possible to stop bootleg dvd. [/b] |
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Kazuki-san
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I do own a couple, but only because I bought them back in the days when I was a n00b, and didn't know any better. I would NOT go out and buy any now.
Also, a "made in japan" trademark isn't going to stop bootlegging, it may slow it down a bit.. MAY... |
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Sam.:
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no no no u don't get it brother. i think you miss read my post. It clearly says that "i truly feel sad for anime industry beacuse bootleg dvds are hurting the anime industry" then i said that... " bootleg dvds are expanding the anime fandom beacuse newer people are gettin exposed to anime and they buy the dvd because its cheep. if one DVD cost like $20 to $30 whos going to buy it when u can get the whole series for 30 bucks. Like u said newbies don't know this shit. they just look at the cheepest prices and buy... just like you did. Then after u bought it u got addictied to anime like eveyone else does. then you probably got another series. and so on an so on. Therefore cheeper anime DVD attract new anime fans. Thus the anime community grows larger and large. Man i bet the sales from bootleg dvds is probably more than a million dollors, easy. but i don't know for sure does anyone else out there know??
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Kazuki-san
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Actually I bought it after I had already gotten 3 or 4 legal dvds (and was already hooked), I didn't even know it was a boot of the whole series when I bought it. My point is that every illegal dvd sold takes away money from the entire anime industry, and instead puts it in the pockets of people who did nothing to earn it (except steal). While there are n00bs that mistakenly buy boots and then realize their mistake and don't do it again, there are just as many that continue to buy boots, for the exact reason that they're cheaper than legal copies. (just as there are people who download licensed series, and never puchase the dvds) It's nice that people may be introduced to anime by an honest mistake, it's no longer an honest one if you continue to buy illegal products, no matter what the reason may be. |
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cookie
Former ANN Editor in Chief
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It's what old anime fans do all the time -- it's how fandom grows up. Older fans gripe about the younger. It's the inevitable jading of fandom as it ages.
Hm. I am too. And I work 40 hours/week and only barely break my semester tuition. And yet I somehow manage to scrape together enough money to buy anime, both domestic and R2 import, as well as manga and video games. I do it by carefully limiting my expenses, monitoring my income, etc.
I don't own a single bootleg DVD. Sorry to prove you wrong. And yet somehow I still manage to find out all sorts of information about these anime titles without having to resort to watching them via fansubs or raws.. and thus, I can buy anime "blindly", because I know which shows I'm going to like and which ones I won't. The only times I've been burnt buying anime or manga is when I haven't heard of the title AT ALL and yet I chose to "impulse-buy" it anyway. I got burned recently on a manga series called "Tensho Yaoyorozu" (天正やおよろず).. I bought it because it was from Square-Enix, but really, it wasn't worthwhile. Oops. I also suggest spending your money wisely, not foolishly. I would hope that if I can find out enough information about an anime series from reading about it online, others should be able to do the same.
I think a lot more people are going out and buying CHEAP anime products... i.e. bootlegs breed bootleg buyers, and in greater quantities than bootlegs breeding legitimate buyers... While it's possible bootlegs also bring in a few legitimate buyers, they're vastly overwhelmed by the number of people who see cheap anime boots, and then who turn around and complain that the legit prices are too high. I can point you in any number of directions for these sorts of arguments -- there are plenty of BT sites with forums filled with these kinds of "anime fans". I'm an anime fan. Nagisa is an anime fan. The jaded ex-fansubbers are anime fans. Bootlegging fans aren't anime fans -- they're pirates, plain and simple. Ignorance is.. unavoidable at times. Buying boots BECAUSE you don't know is not "okay", but it's not like everyone is fully aware of the industry or its problems. The best that can be done is promote the awareness of how to ID bootlegs and how to avoid them. .. but once you're aware of the fact that bootleg DVDs exist, it's reprehensible to continue buying them. |
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GATSU
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Cookie: Just drop out of college. You'll save more money that way. ^_-
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