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penguintruth
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This is a disappointing opinion. Everything should be up for mockery, and by calling the Hebdo satire a "mistake", what Miyazaki is doing here is close to victim blaming.
Also, I'm fairly sure Charlie Hebdo mocked their own country and culture. |
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mdo7
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Oh that's a interesting opinion out of him although I don't agreed with him. I was hoping this ANN article would talk about Japan's history-related issue (aka comfort women, and Japan's history whitewashing issue):
KBS World-Renowned Japanese Animation Director Urges for Solution to History-related Issues |
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Maidenoftheredhand
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I am not really sure why there is still a discussion about this. A lot of things are published that I don't like (and I didn't particularly like those comics). Maybe they were offensive. But we can discuss why they are offensive or draw counter comics, instead we had some lunatics decide comics are worth killing for.
And so yeah I do support freedom of speech here even if it is (I think it was Neil Gaiman) icky freedom of speech. |
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Joe Mello
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You're right on the second part, but I think that's somewhat beside the point here. The gist I got was that he said to mock people, not symbols, which doesn't sound like a horrible idea. Miyazaki could've said worse. |
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Oneeyedjacks
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Sadly, there was quite a bit of victim blaming going around after the Charlie Hebdo attacks. In regards to what Miyazaki said, Japan does tend to have a "don't rock the boat" mentality towards many cultural things and criticizing them. So when you take that into consideration, it's not a huge surprise that someone from Japan, even someone as well renowned as Miyazaki, would say something like this. |
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ANN_Lynzee
ANN Executive Editor
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I don't know if this is characteristically true. Miyazaki didn't show up to accept his Oscar in the U.S. in open criticism over the war in Iraq. There maybe less news about criticism towards other countries, but the Japanese are no stranger to protests in general. A guy lit himself on fire in November over moves by the Abe administration. |
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SouthPacific
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The religious laws which say that Muslims cannot draw Muhammed does not apply to non-muslims. Same goes for any other religion. Saying anything else is restricting certain freedoms that westerners have worked hard to achieve.
Today in Sweden police began to guard Synagogues and Jewish schools with fully automatic rifles. It's extremely hard for me to explain how shocking this is, as seeing any kind of armed forces with drawn or even visible weapons is very unusual here. Seeing the police armed with their rifles on the news today has really spawned a reaction. Suddenly the situation got much more real I guess. All of this because certain people adhering to Islam has carried out grave acts of terrorism not only in the Middle East, but in Russia, China, the US and now in my neighbouring country. I'm not pointing fingers towards all Muslims, but we're far beyond the point where you can keep on saying that it's just individual accidents. Islamic terrorist networks are bigger than ever, in both monetary resources as well as actual terrorists. And the machine just keeps growing. "A doesn't like that B is drawing illustrations of my -insert religious dude- so B should just stop. Otherwise A might do something really bad to B!"- is a mentality that will ultimately breed oppression and restriction on freedoms that westerners currently enjoy. While Miyazaki is free to express his opinion, I am free to strongly disagree with him. I'd like to enjoy this very freedom in the same extent I am currently doing without any religious groups stepping in and censoring certain things they disagree with. |
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shiranehito
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Well, I don't agree to mock religious symbol or figures (even though I'm completely okay reading those mockery comics - must admit they're kind of funny even though offensive), but I don't really agree that Miyazaki called that a mistake, like "Well you brought it yourself so you deserve it". Killing is not alright, especially when they did it in the name of god they praise.
Now, what about the manga version of Koran? Even if this is made pure of good intention to familiarize people to the real Islam, not that terror-laden Islam like general public knows, most of them are not okay when anyone tries to depict the prophet, the god or whoever is mentioned in the holy book. I wonder what Miyazaki will say about this... Last edited by shiranehito on Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:13 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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kazenoyume
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He is right, and I'm happy to hear him say this.
There's always freedom of speech and that should always be protected, but out of courtesy to the beliefs of others, is it so hard to just not draw the prophet? You can still give your super bold (and probably Islamophobic) opinions without doing so. Not to mention Charlie Hebdo's comics were on the whole, very often racist and Islamophobic. This does not at all mean they 'had what was coming to them' or anything of the sort. I 100% condemn the attacks, but that doesn't mean Hebdo and their type should be beyond criticism. We can discuss how what they did was problematic while still mourning their deaths. edit: Oh and South Pacific- PLEASE don't blame the rise of antisemitism on Islam? TONS of antisemitic attacks are perpetuated by white Europeans. And 'freedom Westerners have worked so hard to achieve' is a pretty loaded statement too. Last edited by kazenoyume on Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:22 pm; edited 3 times in total |
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penguintruth
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There is nothing in this world you should be taking seriously enough to go kill somebody over if they mock it in a cartoon. Period.
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Calculus20
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Pretty much this. You're free to talk about whatever the hell you want to, but you're setting yourself up to be a narrow-minded, uncultured swine especially in a situation like this. Islam is the fastest growing religion out there and it's not just some cult. There are millions upon millions of people who follow it. Show some respect to another person's religion/culture even if you don't agree with it. At the very least the doors to mutual understanding will be that much easier to open. |
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AnimeAddict2014
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I like all Hayao's movies but he should stick to anime.
leave politics out of it. They chopped of the heads of two Japanese citizens didn't they? the last thing we want is to agree with some terrorists that it's ok to kill people over some stupid drawing. we got drawings that insulted Jesus Christ, but i have yet to see any heretics killing people because of it 
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DmonHiro
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He's right though. You should be allowed to make fun of everyone and everything without fear of violence. But that does not mean you should do it. If I go to an old folks home and stat yelling profanities and telling them to die sooner as to stop wasting space, I should not fear violence against me. And, as it should be, I am protected by law against said violence. But I'm still an asshole since I'm doing it solely to be a jerk.
The caricatures of Muhammad had no other purpose then to make fun of the religion, but they should still be allowed. And, in fact, they ARE allowed. They weren't wrong, they were just not-so-nice-people. Anyone has the right to mock anyone/anything without fear, but only in theory. If you KNOW you are pissing off dangerously insane people, why do it? Especially if you're doing it just to piss them off. TL;DR: Making fun of Muhammad was a mistake. Muslim extremist are known to be insane and violent. You are allowed to make fun of them, but doing so on purpose makes you stupid. Last edited by DmonHiro on Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:27 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Theozilla
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Agreed, Miyazaki never said that the Charlie Hebdo people had it coming or that art should be legally limited. But just because you have the legal right to say, draw and/or do something doesn't mean you always should do it. So yes, the paper should have the legal right (which it does) to publish racist and/or Islamophobic cartoons without fear of violent reprisal, but that doesn't mean they should create that content. |
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whiskeyii
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Eh...I think I'm with South Pacific on this. I'm not a strict Christian (much closer to agnostic, really), and while I know people who take irreverent depictions of Jesus or God really seriously, it's not my place to stop others from making irreverent comics. It's not really anyone's place to stop them, unless they're promoting something that's not legal to depict in that country; for example, hate speech, which I think is unprotected in certain countries.
Then and only then do you have a foot to stand on, because it's flat out illegal. But making sacrilegious, blasphemous comics is something Charlie Hebdo should be free to do, no matter how I personally feel about their comics. |
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