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REVIEW: The Irregular at Magic High School Sub.Blu-Ray 2




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Vaisaga



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 9:28 am Reply with quote
Another fair review. The anime definitely did spend too much time on the Nine Schools Competition despite the novels being the same length as Enrollment and Yokohama. They did spend quite a bit of time on explaining the various spells that appeared so that definitely padded things out.

What I appreciate most about it is that the competition set up does allow for other characters to get some time in the spotlight. I've always found the supporting cast more interesting than the Shiba siblings and they got plenty to do here.

It's obvious Miyuki has feelings for Tatsuya and any claims otherwise is a lie on her part. Tatsuya only shows signs as caring for her as his sister, though.
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Maybe it's just me but I thought the pacing in this arc was spot on and this was before I read the books. Won't really know again until my copy arrives (come on UP!) and I rewatch it. It went swiftly for me. Also didn't have any problems with understanding anything in the story without reading anything extra.

Maybe I'm too used to really slow burners like the One Piece anime, Log Horizon or Naruto that I find stuff like this well paced, that or I was that absorbed into the world of this series I never noticed (very likely both).

The tidbits on Miyuki and Tatsuya were really fascinating as well and only make you want to know more.
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Problem with the mahouka anime is that its just an advertisement of the light novel and leaves out all of the depth. If the writers and directors aimed for the anime to be a standalone, then I feel the anime would have been a lot better.
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Big problem for me was magic. Magic in Mahouka is more interesting and in depth than in most other shows where magic is just throwing fireballs and shooting lighting bolts though I do think that the magic is more complicated than it needs to be. Problem was I couldn't ever really get a full grasp of how magic works in Mahouka. Maybe it was explained in depth at the beginning however I often found the exposition dialogue kind of hard to follow. It tends to get very technical and sometimes includes in-universe terminology. I want to enjoy a show and not feel like I'm listening to a lecture.

Usually I'd just shrug stuff like that off. Like hey it's magic, no need to explain it any further. But with Mahouka I felt like the in depth stuff was part of the appeal of the show and I felt like I was missing out a lot by not fully understanding all of it.
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Vaisaga



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 6:34 pm Reply with quote
Well, that's what this is for.
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Cam0 wrote:
Big problem for me was magic. Magic in Mahouka is more interesting and in depth than in most other shows where magic is just throwing fireballs and shooting lighting bolts though I do think that the magic is more complicated than it needs to be. Problem was I couldn't ever really get a full grasp of how magic works in Mahouka. Maybe it was explained in depth at the beginning however I often found the exposition dialogue kind of hard to follow. It tends to get very technical and sometimes includes in-universe terminology. I want to enjoy a show and not feel like I'm listening to a lecture.

Usually I'd just shrug stuff like that off. Like hey it's magic, no need to explain it any further. But with Mahouka I felt like the in depth stuff was part of the appeal of the show and I felt like I was missing out a lot by not fully understanding all of it.


The source novels could get very technical, with extremely detailed discussions of how the magitech worked. Commenters say the novel was like "reading a school textbook" at times. The anime was trying to be as faithful to the books as possible by adapting the magitech explanations, but had to shorten it for time constraints.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 9:04 pm Reply with quote
Vaisaga wrote:
Well, that's what this is for.


Sounds like magicians and magic are just hackers.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 9:21 pm Reply with quote
Not too far off. They basically hack into reality and alter it to suit their needs.
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Vaisaga wrote:
Well, that's what this is for.


Yeah at the time I didn't know those existed. They weren't on Crunchyroll so how could I have known?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 6:49 am Reply with quote
Vaisaga wrote:
Well, that's what this is for.


Honestly I felt like those didn't help at all. Especially later on in the series. They needed to make them longer and tell much more of the techno babble. That way the anime didn't have to come to a halt every time someone did something in order for the audience to get a long winded explanation afterwards. Stuff like that just ruins pacing.

This is probably the least interesting school competition I've ever seen. Tatsuya's school was shown basically wrecking everyone. Very rarely were they shown losing. And the only interesting event was of course the last one against Tatsuya and mister red head. Of course there is never ANY tension when Tatsuya is around but at least it was it was fun to watch. Everything else? Pretty boring honestly. I suppose the background info on Tatsuya at least gave us a reason to sort of feel bad for him (since he might not even be human at all). But it's really hard to do that when the anime doesn't really make attempts to make him appear in need for sympathy. I mean some people were afraid of him when he freaked out but that was resolved pretty quickly.
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T.Silver wrote:
Problem with the mahouka anime is that its just an advertisement of the light novel and leaves out all of the depth. If the writers and directors aimed for the anime to be a standalone, then I feel the anime would have been a lot better.


The anime stands alone just fine. I read the LN afterwards, and yes they go into a lot more detail about magic and include some extra scenes. However none of those scenes are really important nor would they have made the anime stand alone any better. Nothing in the LNs really adds more depth either unless you count listening to twice the amount of info dumps to be more depth.

The anime included about as much info on magic as it could without ruining the series. It really explained enough that you could get by which I think is all you can ask. The Mahouka anime is already heavily criticized for massive info dumps. Doubling the screen time spent info dumping magic wouldn't make the series stand alone better. It would just ruin the pacing and cause everything else to be rushed more. More elaborate explanations of every single magic used in the series isn't more depth; it is just more cumbersome because you're trying to force a story telling technique into another medium where it just doesn't work that well.

The only way that the anime is an advertisement is in that the story continues past where the anime ends. It isn't like the LN actually offers a conclusion yet either though so even adapting all existing LN wouldn't make the series stand alone any better. The anime also only covers arcs that completely stand alone. You don't need LN information to see the conclusion of those arcs.

There are a lot of valid complaints about this anime, but it not standing alone without the LN is just baseless bull shit.
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SilverTalon01 wrote:
The anime stands alone just fine. I read the LN afterwards, and yes they go into a lot more detail about magic and include some extra scenes. However none of those scenes are really important nor would they have made the anime stand alone any better. Nothing in the LNs really adds more depth either unless you count listening to twice the amount of info dumps to be more depth.
It can stand alone, but not very well. A good stand alone anime shouldn't leave audiences confused and asking questions like "how did that work?" and "how can he do that?". Just look at the blu-ray releases Q & A booklets. The reviewer complemented that they were very informative, however those booklets shouldn't be needed in order to fully understand things in the story. @bold: You've got to be kidding me? -_-. The novels offer far more depth in every single category such as world building and characters, if you can't notice that, your a lost cause.

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The anime included about as much info on magic as it could without ruining the series. It really explained enough that you could get by which I think is all you can ask. The Mahouka anime is already heavily criticized for massive info dumps. Doubling the screen time spent info dumping magic wouldn't make the series stand alone better. It would just ruin the pacing and cause everything else to be rushed more. More elaborate explanations of every single magic used in the series isn't more depth; it is just more cumbersome because you're trying to force a story telling technique into another medium where it just doesn't work that well.
That's not the problem, the problem is how they neglected the characters. The characters are basically cardboard cut-out versions of themselves in the anime and you can't deny this. The anime cut out too many monologues and tidbits of backstories, which erases the depth and understanding of the characters. Only Light Novel readers can truly understand and see the characters for who they are, while the anime basically makes them shells of their former self.

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The only way that the anime is an advertisement is in that the story continues past where the anime ends. It isn't like the LN actually offers a conclusion yet either though so even adapting all existing LN wouldn't make the series stand alone any better. The anime also only covers arcs that completely stand alone. You don't need LN information to see the conclusion of those arcs.
Arcs that stand alone? They are all intertwined, so idk what you are talking about. Yeah, but you need the LN information to fully understand the story the anime provides itself.

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There are a lot of valid complaints about this anime, but it not standing alone without the LN is just baseless bull shit.
How is it baseless? When an anime requires knowledge from the original source material to fully understand the characters and story, then its not a very good standalone anime, its that simple.
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zztop wrote:
The source novels could get very technical, with extremely detailed discussions of how the magitech worked. Commenters say the novel was like "reading a school textbook" at times. The anime was trying to be as faithful to the books as possible by adapting the magitech explanations, but had to shorten it for time constraints.


Spot on. Razz The anime is a brisk compared to the novels.

Which wouldn't be so bad, except the authors explanations don't really add up. And he spends CHAPTERS dedicated to them. The intricacies of the newest form of magic he has devised. Usually there is a scant 2-3 moments of any real action each volume. And yeah it falls to the fallacy of the fact that it all works in the authors head because he has all the information. On paper though it is just shy of nonsense.

I will be interested in seeing how it does for Yen Press. I can already picture their translators though screaming in horror and pain. Particularly if they do get around to translating some of the more recent arcs. The textbook goes up a notch. Wink
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T.Silver wrote:
A good stand alone anime shouldn't leave audiences confused and asking questions like "how did that work?" and "how can he do that?". Just look at the blu-ray releases Q & A booklets. The reviewer complemented that they were very informative, however those booklets shouldn't be needed in order to fully understand things in the story.


I admitted the info dumps weren't nearly long enough to cover every 'how it works' question, but it would take at least double the info dumps to cover it all which just doesn't work for an anime.

It also isn't necessary to follow the anime. It is just some nice supplemental information. What you're saying is the equivalent to saying that you can't enjoy a Gundam anime without knowing all the supplemental information about the mobile suits provided in side material. That is just ridiculous.

T.Silver wrote:
@bold: You've got to be kidding me? -_-. The novels offer far more depth in every single category such as world building and characters, if you can't notice that, your a lost cause.


If you can't differentiate between 'more information' and 'more depth,' then you're a lost cause. Now sure the LN's clearly have more depth if you're including all of them, but the rest are outside the scope of the anime anyway.

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That's not the problem, the problem is how they neglected the characters. The characters are basically cardboard cut-out versions of themselves in the anime and you can't deny this. The anime cut out too many monologues and tidbits of backstories, which erases the depth and understanding of the characters. Only Light Novel readers can truly understand and see the characters for who they are, while the anime basically makes them shells of their former self.


It really sounds like you're letting your total LN knowledge cloud your comparison. They aren't cut outs in the anime at all. They covered all the important parts for the major characters out of the novels which were actually adapted. No, not every little thing is in there nor does it need to be. What you're whining about isn't the anime not standing alone but that you're upset it didn't keep every single trivial detail from the LN.

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Arcs that stand alone? They are all intertwined, so idk what you are talking about. Yeah, but you need the LN information to fully understand the story the anime provides itself.


The arcs in the anime do stand alone. That doesn't mean they aren't relevant to a future event in later novels. It just means the arcs cover all that you need to follow and understand that arc. You don't need the LN information to understand the story in the anime. I had not read the LN at the time I watched it. I know others who also fully understood the story the anime provided.

You seem to be unable to differentiate between understanding the story the anime provided and knowing about all the extra information in the LN. You do not need the latter to have the former.

T.Silver wrote:
How is it baseless? When an anime requires knowledge from the original source material to fully understand the characters and story, then its not a very good standalone anime, its that simple.


It is baseless because it doesn't require that knowledge. You only need the additional knowledge from the source to fully understand the source.
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I'm a little disappointed in the rating for the soundtrack...I think it's one of the better anime soundtracks I've heard. At least worth a B, if not a B+. But if you're not a fan of EDM or synth-heavy music, I can understand how you might down-rate it. If you can find them, I'd recommend picking up the two OST CDs and listen to them in isolation from the anime. That will give you a truer sense of the quality, which again I say is comparable to the best ever.
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