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BlackPoint.



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 1:29 pm Reply with quote
Wish they would have listen more to the fans since there are so many animes out there that would deserve more seasons. Specialy i dont understand madhouse production for example which simply doesnt wanna make more season or what i dont really get it...
For me it seems like they only use anime to promote the manga/LN sales and then ofcourse people buy them in hope that with bigger sale then we will get more anime season but the truth probably is that they dont care about anime as long as they make the money from the manga/LN sales then.
Personaly i wish that in future which anime they would start to produce they would need to finish it till the end then, but i guess thats just a dream that wont come true.... =/
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 1:34 pm Reply with quote
If they cared in Japan about what we guys think in the west we would've already gotten stuff like Elfen Leid season 2. It sucks when stuff dont sell well in Japan but is loved here wont get a sequel.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 1:45 pm Reply with quote
The only thing the production committees are paying attention is viewership numbers in case of daytime mainstream shows.

In the case of Late night anime viewership numbers don't mean almost nothing. What matters is the DVD/BD sales and if the anime helped risen the sales of mangas, LN and games the anime is based on.

What im amazed is the importance reviews and social media have in the Western entertainment world. I had watch a program about it in a American news channel (don't remember what) and they talk about some movies company's, looking for the social media as a medium that can make a movie be a success or a failure.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 2:01 pm Reply with quote
TheMorry wrote:
If they cared in Japan about what we guys think in the west we would've already gotten stuff like Elfen Leid season 2. It sucks when stuff don't sell well in Japan but is loved here wont get a sequel.


Space Dandy, Under the Dog, Watamote, The Big O & GitS all say hi.
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TheMorry



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 2:05 pm Reply with quote
fathomlessblue wrote:
TheMorry wrote:
If they cared in Japan about what we guys think in the west we would've already gotten stuff like Elfen Leid season 2. It sucks when stuff don't sell well in Japan but is loved here wont get a sequel.


Space Dandy, Under the Dog, Watamote, The Big O & GitS all say hi.
Your point?
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kotelo_



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 2:09 pm Reply with quote
I wonder if the people at ufotable or TYPE-MOON will ever have the chance to read Eken's review on UBW ep20.

Man, that would be really hilarious Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 2:22 pm Reply with quote
One thing I recall from past half arsed websearches on this subject is that Japanese defamation law is such that, in theory, critics could find themselves facing criminal charges for libel due to harming the reputation of the producers etc of a show they publicly panned. Japanese courts place greater importance on the impact the claims have than their validity, & that's for things that can be factually proven (such as sumo-wrestlers throwing games), let alone something as subjective as a critics opinion.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 2:24 pm Reply with quote
TheMorry wrote:
If they cared in Japan about what we guys think in the west we would've already gotten stuff like Elfen Leid season 2. It sucks when stuff don't sell well in Japan but is loved here wont get a sequel.
fathomlessblue wrote:
Space Dandy, Under the Dog, Watamote, The Big O & GitS all say hi.
TheMorry wrote:
Your point?
{Fixed your in-line quotations. ~nobahn}

My point is that there have been numerous instances over the past twenty years where the Japanese have deliberately targeted a western audience (Space Dandy, UtD), focused on western online fan opinions (Watamote), done co-production with western studios (GitS) or had the popularity of a franchise lead to future instalments (Big 0, Little Witch Academia, arguably The Bebop movie). Sure, the focus is clearly Japan-centric, but it's hardly like exceptions haven't occurred if there was enough of an incentive. Claiming we've had absolutely no input because of one fairly successful, if critically divided show is a tad dismissive.
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Lostlorn Forest



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 3:59 pm Reply with quote
Great article! Which reminds me of the total butchery of Episode 25 of the Attack on Titan anime. Hopefully they won't pull any of that Rage Mode Titan again.... or for that matter, any other unnecessary deviations from the manga.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 4:07 pm Reply with quote
fathomlessblue wrote:
My point is that there have been numerous instances over the past twenty years where the Japanese have deliberately targeted a western audience (Space Dandy, UtD), focused on western online fan opinions (Watamote), done co-production with western studios (GitS) or had the popularity of a franchise lead to future instalments (Big 0, Little Witch Academia, arguably The Bebop movie).

Can I point out that Knockin on Heaven's Door, was planned in 99, started production in 00 and came out in 01. And Bebop made it to the states in 00 and only started to gain popularity in 01 when it aired on Toonami.

It wasn't made for the west, apparently they were surprised by the success it had in America.

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TheMorry wrote:
If they cared in Japan about what we guys think in the west we would've already gotten stuff like Elfen Leid season 2. It sucks when stuff don't sell well in Japan but is loved here wont get a sequel.

A lot of people in the west didn't like Elfen Lied though.


{Combined serial posts. ~nobahn}
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H. Guderian



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 5:51 pm Reply with quote
Sales say a lot, especially when a lot of critics online nowadays are fans/hobbyists with little to no helpful content. Reviewing via video also takes time, and is popular over here. So that even adds lag time. Most reviews are thusly too late to be helpful, and trying to be too mean/funny to have anything worth saying.

Sales speak loudest.

If Sales fail, then they might do extra digging, i'd figure. Shows come out so rapidly I can't see someone working on 1-4 shows or more a year wasting time arguing on the internet.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 6:39 pm Reply with quote
You could also look at this being an issue from a legal standpoint of sorts. That is, since there a lot of anime reviews coming from watching fansubs, the creators might be hesitant to want look at reviews that they suspect might be based off of watching fansubs.

With the above, they may be of the mind that fansubs are harming the industry. While true, they should also consider questionable business practices and overworked yet overpaid animators.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 6:47 pm Reply with quote
Lemonchest wrote:
One thing I recall from past half arsed websearches on this subject is that Japanese defamation law is such that, in theory, critics could find themselves facing criminal charges for libel due to harming the reputation of the producers etc of a show they publicly panned. Japanese courts place greater importance on the impact the claims have than their validity, & that's for things that can be factually proven (such as sumo-wrestlers throwing games), let alone something as subjective as a critics opinion.

That's very insightful even if "half arsed." Thanks! In Japanese criminal proceedings factual evidence plays a smaller role than attempts to understand the mind and motive of the criminal. That's why Japanese confession rates are so high; they are considered the gold standard when it comes to evidence at trial.

While it's certainly unlikely that criticism would change the course of a show in production, what, if anything, does it mean for the staff members' future prospects? Do directors and seiyuu face a harder time if their shows get panned? Or is it more like the case of the director in Shirobako who still faced ridicule for the poor financial performance of a show even after years had passed?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 7:17 pm Reply with quote
@yuna49

In the US, reviews may hurt a show in the short run, however sales trump everything in the long run. If a show makes money, it is a success. If it makes a lot of money, the people identified with the show are almost guaranteed more work, and the show a sequel. No one cares if the reviews were not good. If a show loses money, all the glowing reviews will not help. Unless of course it gets an Oscar or other award.

In Japan, as best I can figure, it is just the same except they don't have the worry of a bad review. Bad word of mouth and subsequent bad sales will hurt them though.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 7:21 pm Reply with quote
yuna49 wrote:

While it's certainly unlikely that criticism would change the course of a show in production, what, if anything, does it mean for the staff members' future prospects? Do directors and seiyuu face a harder time if their shows get panned? Or is it more like the case of the director in Shirobako who still faced ridicule for the poor financial performance of a show even after years had passed?


Although I have no way of thinking of how it would effect a production, from an intellectual perspective I find the lack of "critical reviews" a bit discouraging. Not because I want some kind of gratification for finding something I agree with, really. It just doesn't feel like there's a any kind of "voice" from Japan, over these things, even for the sake of comparing and contrasting. All we have are sales numbers and anonymous product comments, which just don't feel substantial.
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