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LaughingElbow
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:48 pm
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It's difficult to battle cancer.
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ximpalullaorg
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:57 pm
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Piracy will always be present, you just need to find ways to minimize it.
Also, and I know people don't like it, it's not theft. It's a violation of copyright laws, but not theft. He didn't "lose" 25,000 copies. Also, there's no evidence that all 25,000 people would have bought it if it weren't pirated.
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Lincolne
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:08 pm
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Last i knew people who pirate tend to spend more money then who don't. To many times people have bought something that was bad and not worth the money. so they now turn to piracy. try it out before spending money on it. I wonder how many of the "25,000" people could actually legally buy it.
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Megiddo
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:09 pm
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Trying to get people to pay for porn is a tough sale on the Internet. Since this guy is with Wani that means his stuff is hosted on Fakku I imagine? Without the piracy scene there's no way that any decent amount of money could have ever been made from the English-speaking fandom (goodness knows Japan never would have bothered to try to market outside their area).
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Hikarunu
Joined: 23 Jul 2015
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:10 pm
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You cant stop piracy completely, people still recording their fav TV show for later use, you borrow a legit copy manga from friend and later return it back. This is piracy yet people still dont realized it.
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John Hayabusa
Joined: 30 May 2012
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:12 pm
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"Uploaders, apologize to everyone involved with this and compensate them fully, and if you're good-looking, we'll make you our ass slaves."
Honestly, I find the artist being a shota trap fan to be a little more interesting that the topic of this article.
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kiminobokuwa
Joined: 18 Sep 2015
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:15 pm
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Unless the internet dies, piracy won't end. I do my best to support the mangakas by buying all the favorite manga I love. I mean, although that's a lot of taken up space in my room it helps the mangaka survive.
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Hoppy800
Joined: 09 Aug 2013
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:16 pm
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Grow a thicker skin please, even the most sensitive political activists have a thicker skin than you do. Piracy doesn't cost anyone money unless you're talking about the shady ones that sell counterfeit goods, which isn't the case here.
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Spotlesseden
Joined: 09 Sep 2004
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:23 pm
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ximpalullaorg wrote: | Piracy will always be present, you just need to find ways to minimize it.
Also, and I know people don't like it, it's not theft. It's a violation of copyright laws, but not theft. He didn't "lose" 25,000 copies. Also, there's no evidence that all 25,000 people would have bought it if it weren't pirated. |
Nobody said anything like that. He just don't want people to read his work without paying. It doesn't matter if you don't plan to buy it either way, some people still don't want to give out his work for free. People who claimed that Piracy costs people no a single penny is also wrong.
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CoreSignal
Joined: 04 Sep 2014
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Location: California, USA
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:33 pm
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Quote: | Uploaders, apologize to everyone involved with this and compensate them fully, and if you're good-looking, we'll make you our ass slaves. |
I gotta say, that is some comeback, lol.
ximpalullaorg wrote: | Piracy will always be present, you just need to find ways to minimize it.
Also, and I know people don't like it, it's not theft. It's a violation of copyright laws, but not theft. He didn't "lose" 25,000 copies. Also, there's no evidence that all 25,000 people would have bought it if it weren't pirated. |
And there's also no evidence that all those people who pirated it then went out afterwards and actually bought the manga. Question: Should people should work for free? Because this is basically what's happening here. You can argue nobody is "stealing" anything but if being a mangaka is this guy's main job then he's essentially working for free. I don't blame him for quitting a job where you don't get paid.
Let's be realistic here, piracy will always exist and people will always pirate. If you can't get something in your country, if you don't want to pay for it, it's too expensive, bad translations etc. there will always be reasons to pirate. That said, those are all reasons from a consumer standpoint, you don't have to agree with it but people should understand why someone would upset about it from the the artist's standpoint.
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Jumo
Joined: 23 Jan 2016
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:33 pm
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Well, if only they sell it in my country where I don't have to pay shipping and other stuff I would gladly buy it..
but then again it's not, and shipping is expensive...
and yet they blab about piracy..
do something first to meet other people's expection outside your country if you want piracy to stop...
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Blanchimont
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:43 pm
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Lincolne wrote: | ... I wonder how many of the "25,000" people could actually legally buy it. |
Megiddo wrote: | Without the piracy scene there's no way that any decent amount of money could have ever been made from the English-speaking fandom (goodness knows Japan never would have bothered to try to market outside their area). |
For the English-speaking world, answer to Megiddo's question would be a big fat zero; none of his works are translated in any official capacity.
Of course, I suspect the 25000 referred to were downloads by Japanese of the raw version.
Quote: | ... Since this guy is with Wani that means his stuff is hosted on Fakku ... |
As Fakku is going legal, already hosts several licensed works, and all of this guy's stuff mentioned on Bakaupdates are one-shots except for the one mentioned in the article(which is a single volume), it would be a fairly simple affair for him to contact Fakku to get it officially out this side of the pond, and perhaps even contact the scanlation groups for their translations(all of those one-shots have been translated so far). So instead of being too whiny about the piracy aspect, he should work a little more on the marketing side, what I'm saying...
Though the trouble oftentimes for us is, a lot of these hentai artists don't want their works appearing outside of the Japanese market. But that is going to happen regardless. If not officially, then unofficially...
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nhat
Joined: 21 Jan 2008
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:43 pm
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Hoppy800 wrote: | Grow a thicker skin please, even the most sensitive political activists have a thicker skin than you do. Piracy doesn't cost anyone money unless you're talking about the shady ones that sell counterfeit goods, which isn't the case here. |
Guess those people just don't have that ability to do that. I guess most naysayers will say good riddance but I can assure that we could have a lot more talent and stories if this wasn't such a problem.
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H. Guderian
Joined: 29 Jan 2014
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:44 pm
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Pirates'll never stop.
Though this is why some people use their art/books to generate sales on secondary goods. its frankly impossible to stop the pirates, though. And I'd rather keep the freedom that the pirates abuse rather than give up those freedoms and have the pirates go find another loophole.
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Replica_Rabbit
Joined: 23 Aug 2015
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Location: Portland
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Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2016 2:50 pm
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ximpalullaorg wrote: | Piracy will always be present, you just need to find ways to minimize it.
Also, and I know people don't like it, it's not theft. It's a violation of copyright laws, but not theft. He didn't "lose" 25,000 copies. Also, there's no evidence that all 25,000 people would have bought it if it weren't pirated. |
But someone else is making money off his work (he only got one buy from it) I bet his Manga is already on hosting site that have tons of ads. It really disheartening to see your sales are low, but the Piracy version get 25,000 downloads. It tell you that your work means nothing
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