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Emerje
Posts: 7338 Location: Maine |
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I was raised to not take things I don't want, even if it is free. It's better to have quality than to settle for something substandard.
Via Hulu which gives you a pretty nice quality for the resolution, buffers well ahead so it streams without issues (I can't even pay to get that out of CR some times), and real full screen. That's not even comparable to the "quality" that NN gives you. Emerje |
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Xanas
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I just don't like streaming sites at all honestly, and when they have terrible quality it just makes them totally unusable even for previewing. 480p is really an absolute minimum given that their bitrate is substantially less than DVD and most of the official companies encoders seem to know nothing about how to do a decent job with anything less than that.
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Draneor
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For me, at least, I have not been able to get either Hulu or FUNi's player to ever work so NN is better. Ideally, though, I wish content was offered on multiple sites so we could all use our favorite platform (CR for me). But ideals are often unrealistic. |
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bglassbrook
Posts: 1243 Location: Gaithersburg, MD |
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Yup, and I only plan (oops, used the P-word) to watch the first episode anyway to get a sense for the designs. Normally the next step would be to sit-back and wait for the BD to hit my purchase price... but given the increased chance of this staying an in-house Aniplex release, which means no dubbing at Honneamise pricing, I don't hold out a lot of hope of it ever hitting. |
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einhorn303
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That is the existing model for the Japanese market, but they can still try a different model for a different market. And still, what about for simulcasts where a BD/DVD release outside Japan is unlikely, like Saki or what have you? And with many niche simulcasted shows, foreign importation of merchandise could never amount to a reasonable amount of income. |
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RyanSaotome
Posts: 4210 Location: Towson, Maryland |
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That may be the case for some shows, but we know Fate/Zero will be coming over here. They're trying to make Fate a significant brand here with the release of Fate/Extra this Fall, and releasing that Fate fighting game on PSP in English. This gives people a low quality version so they are hungry for the inevitable beautiful 1080p release down the line in North America. |
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ikillchicken
Posts: 7272 Location: Vancouver |
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Don't be a smart ass. I know full well what you said. As I said, even Crunchyroll's free streams are better than this.
No, I want to watch in better quality but I don't want to wait. There's no reason I should have to accept the latter for the sake of the prior. Once again, Crunchyroll manages to provide both free streams and better, paid streams so why can't Aniplex?
That's really a misleading statement though. It's not like they're streaming these shows just to do me a favour. They're doing it to make money. They benefit from me watching their streams. |
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Megiddo
Posts: 8360 Location: IL |
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I regularly watch computer game streaming on Justin.TV/Twitch.TV and I know quite a few of the prominent streamers there. Do you know what they earn per view of an advertisement? 2/10ths of a cent per view. So get a 1000 people watching per ad and they'll earn $2. Your view amounts to a fraction of a penny. Almost everyone loses money with online streaming video. Look how long it took the apparent Gods of Streaming (as anointed by this thread) Crunchyroll just to break even on the books, and after how many millions of investment was that? Online streaming, for the most part, is not profitable. Or at least, the model has yet to be found that makes it profitable. Hell, Hulu, the largest and most widespread TV streaming website is for sale... and there has been a lot of questioning by the big execs about what buying Hulu would actually bring. Other sites can pop up and compete as easily, and controlling all the content rights to ensure popular shows stay on the site has got to cost a large sum. Or Google can't ever seem to make Youtube profitable (although they can come up with many attempts, like this latest one). All things said, Aniplex doesn't have to provide anything, at all. Especially to the foreign community. Hell, judging from the current status of the anime industry, I am downright amazed that Japan hasn't completely enclosed within itself as far as anime distribution goes. |
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ikillchicken
Posts: 7272 Location: Vancouver |
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That's absurd. If streaming almost always lost money then Crunchyroll would not exist. What you are saying is glaringly false. Streaming isn't exactly lucrative but clearly it is profitable at least in most cases.
That's a tremendously specious point. Obviously they don't have to but once again, they aren't doing this just because they're nice guys. They want people to watch their streams. They wouldn't stream at all if they didn't think it was beneficial.
I'm sorry but that is the stupidest thing I've heard in weeks. What would possibly posses anime companies to write off an easy, risk free, supplemental revenue stream like R1 licensing? |
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einhorn303
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Some possible reasons are: 1. In some cases, shows might have such small profits that it's not worth the labor needed to coordinate licensing (People who can speak English, who can deal with oversees, who can write contracts, who can prepare and deliver materials, who can monitor that brand integrity is maintained). For the Japanese licensor, licensing shows isn't completely without overhead costs. 2. Reverse importation. 3. Devaluation of the product: Some studios might not want to sell their anime for super cheap in the US, if they have the idea that they could sell it at Japanese prices (like Aniplex Japan with "Garden of Sinners") or somehow make it big and mainstream with the right partner (like trying to get things on TV/theaters with Viz or Sony or something). 4. Might attract negative foreign attention to the anime industry, resulting in political crusades (like with the "Rapelay" fiasco). |
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Shiroi Hane
Encyclopedia Editor
Posts: 7580 Location: Wales |
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I actually have some handy real world quotes for a couple of these:
"Oftentimes, Company A has the Americas, Company B Europe, and Company C Asia, etc. So with corporate overhead at big companies so high, they simply cannot process a contract for 'small' revenues...they lose money just by signing a deal." - Rob Pereyda (specifically regarding streams for countries like Scandinavia, but it dovetails nicely)
http://schoolgirlmilkycrisis.com/blog/?p=2674 (Jonathan Clements) |
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agila61
Posts: 3213 Location: NE Ohio |
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Megiddo
Posts: 8360 Location: IL |
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Sorry, Crunchyroll can't get everything. FUNimation is going to want the digital streaming rights for the titles they license. Section23/Sentai is going to want the digital streaming rights for the titles they license. Heck, Beez or Manga UK are going to want the digital streaming rights for the titles they license. However, FUNi, Sentai, Beez, and Manga UK have no real use for a worldwide license. They're only going to mainly want what is in their targeted consumer market (be it North America or Europe). If FUNi licenses Persona 4 for instance, there is never going to be a point in time where FUNi thinks it would be logical to stream Persona 4 to those in Ukraine, or to those in Guatemala, or to those in Thailand. The idea of "worldwide ex-Japan simulcast streaming rights" is simply nonsensical given that there is only one global anime streaming service, and they sure as heck aren't going to pay for the digital rights of everything. |
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ikillchicken
Posts: 7272 Location: Vancouver |
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Regardless of whether these are in fact valid reasons, I don't see anything to indicate that this is why Megiddo thinks Japan should give up on North America. His only argument seems to be "Americans are spoiled and I'm mad and therefore Japan should just rage-quit the whole R1 market".
It's not without costs so yes, in some cases where a show is worth so little that it doesn't even cover these minor costs it might not be worth it. However, that's not even close to being the case for the vast majority of shows.
A non issue for streaming or DVDs.
If that's their aim then they're not really writing off the R1 market at all.
That's just silly. No matter what the results of such a controversy, it can't possibly be worse than the result of shutting down the whole R1 industry. Your countermeasure is at least as bad as what you're trying to prevent. It's like burning all your money to prevent any of it being stolen. |
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agila61
Posts: 3213 Location: NE Ohio |
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This wouldn't imply "Crunchyroll gets everything", but it would mean that an region restrictions on the series that Crunchyroll does get would be due to some other bidder for those rights, rather than just being "cost to much to grant the rights because those are marginal markets handled by a different division/company" countries.
Indeed, I was under the impression that Section23/TAN has as many or more simulcasts in the current season as FUNimation. And, indeed, suppose that Madman acquires the simulcast rights for Australia/New Zealand, and MangaUK acquires the simulcast rights for UK/Ireland, and the rights for the Francaphone European countries are acquired by that French streaming service. This would still make it easier for another streaming site ~ whether Crunchyroll or some site not yet established ~ to acquire the simulcast streaming rights to regions that nobody else has bid for. One streaming service not getting region rights because some other service has the rights ~ that's business. No streaming service getting the rights to a country because it costs too much to look at the contract for that particular subset of countries to justify bothering ~ that's evidence of an outdated licensing model that needs to be brought up to date.
You're talking as if I suggested exclusive worldwide ex-Japan open-ended digital streaming rights. on the side of the streaming licensees. I was addressing the business model on the side of the original licensors, and focusing on simulcast streaming rights. |
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