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Tyrenol
Posts: 398 Location: Northern California |
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Because it's tacky and tasteless. There's a time and a place for everything. And what who does with what manga isn't anybody's business unless they make it a business. I don't know what goes through the heads of people when they say, "Oh, this story about some sexualized little girl(s) in compromising positions shouldn't be R-rated!" But, as you can see, this type of logic doesn't work on the non-otaku.
So, basically, you're saying "kids should buy borderline kiddie-porn." Nice one. |
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TitanXL
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Gonna have to check this series out now. Sounds like hilarious satire
And c'mon guys, you act like Shinobu didn't get panty shots and fanservice scenes in Love Hina, and y'all liked that series so much given its popularity and foothold in the industry. |
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ArsenicSteel
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Tacky and tasteless isn't a crime.
It depends on the content. This works content has been misjudged and labeled a rating that isn't accurate to what is depicted.
No, what is being said is that a non-XXX product should not be relegated to the XXX section in a few stores. Doing so reduces the number of places the product is available for sale. The product could be deemed 18+ and be a restricted sale to minors but making it XXX goes too far. Borderline anything is still not has not crossed the line between legal and illegal though. So borderline xyz is perfectly legal to be purchased, of course I expect you to mix in your moral viewpoint as a reply but try to focus on what's legal/illegal, not your views on right and wrong. |
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Gon*Gon
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First...it's MANGA! If you want dull realistic series in a down to earth realistic setting that can easily be replicated with live-actors, watch a live-action drama. If I read something drawn, the creator better take advantage of the fact that she can do whatever she wants with her pencil. This is what made Astarotte's Toy so great. Part of the fun of following such a series is seeing how the mangaka pull such a premise off without breaking the boundary between SFW and NSFW. Second...have you seen the series for yourself? This is the equivalent of saying Kodomo No Jikan is tacky and tasteless.
Have you seen this series before? This is judging a book by it's cover. And my importantly...stuff that isn't porn should not be treated as though they're porn. Besides...it's not like the type of series being targeted are commonly bought by kids in the first place. They only make it inconvenient for vendors, the artists, and the main customers who bother buying these.
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Tyrenol
Posts: 398 Location: Northern California |
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A long time ago; there was this show that (judging by its cover) looked totally awesome. I think it was "Ichiban Ushiro Dai Maou." But when I saw the show; it came off as yet another depressing, otaku-pandering animu that only looked different because the male lead is overpowered. So the question I wanna ask: Why are the critics (and other viewers) blamed when it's mainly the fault of the creators for not thinking situations all the way through?
Because it IS tacky and tasteless. You see how this works? (Of course not.)
Well then maybe stuff shouldn't give off the impression that it's porn. But then again, since the target audience is reality-challenged otaku anyway, it would prove to be a bit too difficult. |
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TitanXL
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What is there to think through? If someone wants to make a comic about something, they have the full right to do so. Just because you do not like it does not give you the right to tell them it shouldn't exist, or try to censor it. Everyone has their own views and beliefs, and unfortunately most of them refuse to accept any other even coexisting with their own. Too many 'my way or the highway' attitudes who feel their beliefs are the best, which especially comes up often when American bash Japan for their views on nudity, sex, and so forth. Since, after all, America is a lot more puritan than Japan is, so obviously right off the bat we think our way is the 'right way' and those who differ are heathens who need to be 'corrected' and 'educated'.
Thank God you don't dictate anything about overseeing manga distribution or production. Where anything you personally don't like is given the axe or shunned. I'm glad we live in a world where series like that can be made for anyone to enjoy if they so choose to. |
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Tyrenol
Posts: 398 Location: Northern California |
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Well, here's the main problem right there. We all yell 'til we're blue in the face about the need for more imagination and creativity. And the first thing that gets shown? Sexualized little girls. Masturbation Material. And parodies of "what used to be cool back in past generations." "ISN'T THIS GREAT?! ARE WE NOT CREATIVE / USING OUR IMAGINATION?! THIS IS WHAT YOU WANTED, RIGHT?!" "Hell no. / We weren't asking you." Seriously... There are those of us who want "dull realistic series in a down to earth realistic setting that can easily be replicated with live-actors" in anime form. In fact, we wanna see more "counter-programming." We want for creators to break away from the same, tired formula of otaku-pandering; to be proved that "the animu industry's means to survive financially" is not "the rules written in stone." And imagine: Just how much less harsh treatment that manga would've gotten if it DIDN'T feature some loli in a swimsuit and backpack. (There ARE no "li'l gurlz N only dey swimsuits N backpacks" making noise in the US. Why Iz Dat?) |
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Tyrenol
Posts: 398 Location: Northern California |
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Here's a Protip then: People who don't paint targets on themselves usually don't get shot at. Nobody's telling you what you should or shouldn't do. Just; don't complain when you painfully receive new holes.
You should, on the other hand, be thankful for anonymous online distribution. If there were ways to publicly post your name, face, and address to the outside world whenever you download something questionable, you probably wouldn't say what you said at all. But hey. I think it's great that we have this visible line between "enjoying freedom" and "being an old guy and wanting to have sex with little girls." |
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Gon*Gon
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A great deal of known lolicon series are written by women...
If it's not the lolis, it'll be something out. These are conservatives we're talking about, not people. Also, you'd be surprised with how little stuff actually fits your description... And why do these things don't exist in the US? Because it's the US. The country that made a controversy over a lousy and brief nip slip...
And you have the right to criticize that show, because you watched it. With the exception to the rushed and phoned in finale, I liked it, but I can accept you not liking the series. But you are in no position to criticize and make false accusations of something you DIDN'T see. Speaking of this news....I wonder if Akamatsu's works are affected by the law...this law must be especially devastating to his career considering both his most well known series is filled with fanservice of girls below a certain age. I wish him and his site luck. It's certainly a good idea to make viewing the series a thing for premium members only to encourage more people to pay. |
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Mikeski
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So, legislation of morality becomes a method to legislate "the creation of thoughtful, quality stories"? I think you... have a very optimistic view of how the creative process works. I'd love it if every anime on my shelf had Haibane Renmei-level writing, but no law is gonna make that happen. Certainly not this one. |
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ArsenicSteel
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Because with America's crime rate if schools really did hold swimming classes for kids there would be more real cases of child rape. |
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zanarkand princess
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Oh, well yeah. This is definitely the series that's going to be the catalyst for literary freedom. God forbid kids don't get to see that one comic book about the guy lusting after a 12 year old! But in a ~funny~ way you know!
Even worse, mangaka might have to start making comics about 20 year olds having romps with 18 year olds who have been left back 7 grades but luckily didn't drink enough milk so they look young and fit in physically with the rest of their classmates! Or *gasp* actual 18+ women! |
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Tyrenol
Posts: 398 Location: Northern California |
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Good for them. Works like Ranma 1/2 was also done by a woman. I also think she's horrible; along with those women who's works pander to the pedophiles of the world.
Oh I'm sorry. I'm suppose to be stupid. Just like the people behind Dai Maou, the people behind "My Wife Is an Elementary Student," and people like them assumed that I should be. And thank you for missing my point: People are not stupid. They're not gonna pick up some book because you say so. And especially if it's gonna have some sexualized little girl on the cover. |
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Tyrenol
Posts: 398 Location: Northern California |
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I read this manga about a 10 year old teacher, and the lot of (mainly) 14 year old girls he had to teach... Oh Wait! THAT'S Matsuken's NEGIMA!! I don't get what the problem is here? "Romps between people whose time gap is 2 years?" Since when did it, all the sudden, become a "bad thing to do?" Or is the obvious ultimately true and the audience for the pedo-crap are "social caterpillars who (either by choice or circumstances) refuse to become moths and butterflies like the rest of us?" |
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asimpson2006
Posts: 3151 Location: USA |
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Just because someone reads lolicon material does not mean they like little girls in real life. I have read my share of lolicon manga and some h manga and I can tell you for a fact that I am have no interest in prepubescent children at all in real life. So by your logical it should be terrible if someone creates a manga that panders to those who like cougars? I guess by your logical that if I play a violent video game and I going go and start shooting up stuff in the real world. *puts .02 on the table* |
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