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REVIEW: Berserk Golden Age Arc I: Egg of the Supreme Ruler


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Raikuro



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:58 am Reply with quote
GATSU, how do you propose they continue from where the original left off without including the Skull Knight? You may not think he's important, but nothing would make any sense if he is erased from the story.
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GATSU



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:40 am Reply with quote
ikillchicken:
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Summarizing the history of the Ring in Lord of the Rings is not the same as summarizing the whole Golden Age arc.


Have you read the original books and The Silmarillion?

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What you're suggesting is more like them just making Return of the King and summarizing everything before it via a brief flashback.


And they kind of did via Gollum.

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You're conflating "This reboot turned out badly because it was poorly executed" with "this is inherently a bad idea".


So neither applies?

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If they did what you wanted and just made a sequel to the old TV series it would face the same problem: If they do a shitty job it will suck.


Yes, but there's less to lose, financially. And they don't have to rehash a story already established in anime form.

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It just means they took a good idea a messed it up in execution.


No, it means they took a lazy idea, and tripled down on it.

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They would also be forced to sit through a bunch of redundancy to get that new content.


And that differs from most anime shows, because...?

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Where as you can simply skip the redundancy by skipping these movies all together and then start up once they actually get to new content.


They've had new content for the last 15 years.

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Either introduce new viewers properly or don't bother. Doing things half assed is the worst possible option.


Again, the Golden Age is not that complicated. Hell, most of the proxy battles aren't even important to the story.

Raikuro: I didn't say they couldn't continue Berserk without the Skull Knight. I just said he's not important to the story.
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Introgauge



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:14 am Reply with quote
wow, every reply written and every post, here comes Gatsu with a nice and fair interjection. The George Lucas comparison just shows how desperate he is with his hate, and how willing he is to try to get everybody's attention. It's time to stop believing he exists and he'll eventually go away. thank you.
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ikillchicken



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:42 pm Reply with quote
GATSU wrote:
So neither applies?


Uh...no, obviously I said nothing of the sort. The latter doesn't apply.

By all means complain about how badly this reboot was executed. I have no issue with that. Just stop pretending this somehow supports your assumption that they were wrong to do a reboot in the first place.

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No, it means they took a lazy idea, and tripled down on it.


No, once again, "lazy" would be showing people a half asses flashback or basically just telling them: "fudge it, go watch the old anime or something if you want to know and/or care about what's going on here". This is the exact opposite of "lazy". This is them taking the time to actually tell their story properly from the beginning.

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They've had new content for the last 15 years.


Then another years wait to see it animated probably won't kill ya now will it?

Like I said, there's just no downside here.

By doing a reboot as a movie trilogy:
-Those who are new to Berserk (and those who would like to see it fresh from the start) get a superior, fully fleshed out version rather than a mediocre, unsatisfying flashback.
-People like you who aren't interested in that are free to simply ignore these movies entirely. You aren't forced to pay for/sit through a movie that's half retelling just to avoid missing the other half that is new content. You can just skip these movies entirely and then start watching when they move on to new content.

It more fully satisfies the first group. It's more efficient for the second group. Win. Win.

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Again, the Golden Age is not that complicated.


Plot wise? Sure. You could easily summarize the plot in a flashback. What you can't summarize is character development and that's why the Golden Age is absolutely vital to Berserk. The Golden Age and the character development there in is precisely what sets the stage for the whole rest of the series. Berserk without the Golden Age is like a car without an engine.
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Hellrasinbrasin



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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 12:28 am Reply with quote
... I won't spoil the film for those that have not gotten their copies yet but I won't play nice either.

:: My short and to the point assessment of Berserk Golden Age Arc 1: Egg of The King ::

... Let me start off with the problems and there are many

- The lack of Characterization
- The discarding of the Themes
- The Narrative Structure (or lack there of)
- The Soundtrack * I did love the insert and ED Theme by Hirasawa
- The Butchering of the Story
- The hybrid animation style
- The Voice Actors
- The Run Time
- The Marketing
- The fact that the Production Team didn't really care about the Project
- The fact that the Director thought he was cute by inserting material from the end of The Golden Age Arc in the End Credits.

... And now the good portion of this review I won't be stupid
enough to buy the next 2 DVD segments of The Golden Age Film.
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shalldoom



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:52 pm Reply with quote
Just finished watching this............

That was the worst adaptation movie ever created period....can you even call that a movie??

Awful voice acting......

Awful music...wth was this, an 80's movie?? the music sounds like something from harry potter...this is a dark fantasy ffs...

Zod fight was horrid.... the whole fight felt sluggish and slow...also why the hell was he sooo big and his fur looked so awkward ??

The thing that relay ruined it for me is the excessive use of the CG...I under stand if it was just the battle scenes when there are a lot of soldiers around but, the whole fukn thing is shitty CGI.....poorly animated and rendered....even the real animation in this pile of garbage lacked detail like some of the characters faces, I mean its 2012 ffs....

Ill stop here, Im too depressed to write more...

I can't believe Miura allowed this to get released, It looked to me like a poorly made fan trailer. (short, poorly animated and poor sounds)

Bottom line....disgusted.
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metalberserk



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:40 pm Reply with quote
I'm a huge fan of Berserk and by huge fan I mean I think it's the greatest story of our generation. Point is, I loved this movie. Actually, the review of Animenewsnetwork was quite spot on. The character development of Guts, Caska, and Griffith is great. All big iconic scenes are there except for the naked water bucket fight between Guts and Griffith. However, the dialogue in that scene is inserted into other big scenes, and it blends really well. The fight scenes are really cool, and the music is good. The atmosphere of the movie is pretty great too in a way which really makes you feel like your outside in great fields with high winds. You have to watch the movie in order to see what I mean. Also, the animation is stunning!

In terms of negatives, the movie is simply too short and that is what hurts the pacing. Scenes are very well handled but it feels like everything just passes by too fast. The CGI can be distracting at times because it sometimes makes it seem like a video game. The dialogue also could have been a bit better. The voices of Guts and Griffith are good, but more emotion could have been added to their dialogue. Even though Guts, Griffith, and Caska get their development, some minor characters are cast a bit to the side and don't get their moment to shine.

Yes, this movie isn't even close to as good as the masterpiece which is the manga, but that does not mean it is bad. Just to see Berserk animated with all it's iconic moments like the Griffith speech and the Guts vs. Griffith fighting on the hill, simply puts a smile on my face. The movie is a nice representation of what Berserk is about and its not a mess of a movie. New comers will easily understand what is going on. It's Berserk done well enough, and that is enough for me to love it Smile
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Keyl



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:20 pm Reply with quote
metalberserk wrote:
I'm a huge fan of Berserk and by huge fan I mean I think it's the greatest story of our generation. Point is, I loved this movie. Actually, the review of Animenewsnetwork was quite spot on. The character development of Guts, Caska, and Griffith is great. All big iconic scenes are there except for the naked water bucket fight between Guts and Griffith. However, the dialogue in that scene is inserted into other big scenes, and it blends really well. The fight scenes are really cool, and the music is good. The atmosphere of the movie is pretty great too in a way which really makes you feel like your outside in great fields with high winds. You have to watch the movie in order to see what I mean. Also, the animation is stunning!

In terms of negatives, the movie is simply too short and that is what hurts the pacing. Scenes are very well handled but it feels like everything just passes by too fast. The CGI can be distracting at times because it sometimes makes it seem like a video game. The dialogue also could have been a bit better. The voices of Guts and Griffith are good, but more emotion could have been added to their dialogue. Even though Guts, Griffith, and Caska get their development, some minor characters are cast a bit to the side and don't get their moment to shine.

Yes, this movie isn't even close to as good as the masterpiece which is the manga, but that does not mean it is bad. Just to see Berserk animated with all it's iconic moments like the Griffith speech and the Guts vs. Griffith fighting on the hill, simply puts a smile on my face. The movie is a nice representation of what Berserk is about and its not a mess of a movie. New comers will easily understand what is going on. It's Berserk done well enough, and that is enough for me to love it Smile


Agree very much but i kinda miss the soundtrack from the TV series. Not that the movie had a bad (it was pretty awesome actually) but it kinda lacks that horror quality that Susumu Hirasawa's had. Also i kinda miss the first year scenes that TV series had as well (don't know if the manga had one).
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BrrZ



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 3:45 pm Reply with quote
First - Spoilers and stuff below I guess..

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I have watched the original anime series and read the manga, and now I've also seen this new film.

While I'm glad the series is getting some form of new life breathed into it as I've been a fan for 9 years now, from my perspective, most things about this film just stink.

As the review says, the CG can be jarringly bad and it's completely obvious in every place it's used, down to background soldiers or citizens standing around, you actually see the looping of the idle animations, and the place it's most notable is in the eyes. You can just tell that these characters are not hand drawn in any way, which makes the transition to the main characters very odd.

The hand drawn animation seems amateurish and does not come anywhere close to matching Miura's rendering of the characters. The shape of Guts' face for instance is too round and has odd characteristics. His personality does too and you find him reacting in ways that don't suit him. It is clear that Studio 4c doesn't have a good idea who the people in this story are. Their preparation for the film was likely rushed and the results show it.

Since we have the tv series as a reference for how these scenes play out, I often found myself feeling like I was fast forwarding through the episodes, taking one or two scenes from each. The infiltration of the Band of The Hawk into Midland's army was meaningful when it took hours in running time to happen, which for the viewer could translate to days, weeks or even months. We took the journey with them. Here, it literally happens in seconds. One scene, the king is watching them and saying "what's the name of their leader?" the next, we learn that Griffith has been knighted. Talk about terrible pacing!

Another thing was that sometimes reactions were just not as dramatic as the original. Take Julius' servant who finds Adonis dead. His anger seethed in the original anime. Here he felt like... "D'er.. find dat mean man..!" No convincing emotion.

Why the first film was 80 minutes and the second and third will be 30 minutes longer each at 110 is something I can't understand. That 30 extra minutes would have helped big time in bringing out the important nuances. But regardless, after seeing the film, even 30 extra minutes would not have brought it anywhere close to capturing the same mood of the original anime.

I don't simply say this because I saw it first, though I do have nostalgic feelings for it I truly think it is better quality. People complained about its animation being low quality, but what's worse, slightly simplified animation that is 2D through and through and still well drawn, true to Miura's designs - or a full HD view of lifeless puppets and hand drawn work that looks like it's come from artists who are barely graduates?

Also working against this film... No Minister Foss!

The one hope for this series is that they are simply trying to bring some sense of unity to a new series which will continue on from the golden age arc with better pacing and art and didn't want to put excessive effort into this so they could get to the stuff we actually WANT to see animated. In other words, everything beyond the eclipse. For that alone I won't completely write this off, I want to see where they go with it, and I do find the reinterpretation of a few of the scenes so far interesting.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 4:36 pm Reply with quote
GATSU wrote:
What I'm wondering is why everyone's complaining about the CG, and not going through what's essentially the same story. Is there any way it was expanded or improved somehow?
About ten minutes into it and you get used to the CG. It's got a little bit more gore. The story get's more to the point. Zodd's battle is far more detailed. Most importantly they show small clips of the current Arc with schierke and crew in the intro. Seems they will go past after the three movies, or end near it.

Problem still: No PUCK!!
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BrrZ



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 5:28 pm Reply with quote
More softcore porn too. The most I remember them showing of Caska in the 90's series was the bewbs, and only briefly. Here we get full frontal virtually right off the bat. I suppose that's more to do with changing censorship views maybe.

I don't remember Puck ever being integral to the Golden Age arc aside from a couple of spots, none of which were in this part of the story (I think?) And anyway, I may be in the minority but I think Berserk would be better off without him/her/it period - this journey to elfheim stuff has proved complete bollocks thusfar. Don't have much passion for his new gang at all. It's almost like Miura's brain sustained some kind of trauma halfway through the story.
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Shadowrun20XX



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 11:29 pm Reply with quote
Puck has been healing guts through the whole thing. Not visually but through elf powder. Which really makes guts look like a super badass in the anime. Without it he wouldn't have made it thus far.

The anime didn't use him because they wanted something the audience could really relate to. More soap opera than fantasy. Not magic dust.

Both are really good. I got a ton of people into anime by showing them Berserk TV. Non animation fans ended up really liking it.

Heh, fairy crotch probably would have turned them away quick.

He is missing (once again) for this movie trilogy. It will ultimately be a short rehash of the anime sadly.

I hear you on the wanting to see the future chapters brought to life. I hate having to continuously read chapter by chapter, and play the games just to get my fix.
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Etrien



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:18 pm Reply with quote
Shadowrun20XX wrote:
Problem still: No PUCK!!

Shadowrun20XX wrote:
He is missing (once again) for this movie trilogy.

spoiler[Second film says hi.]Wink

As do (spoiler for the second film, don't read if you want to be surprised) spoiler[Farnese and Serpico].
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