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NEWS: NISA to Release Mugen Souls Z in N. America, Europe in 2014


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RyanSaotome



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:30 am Reply with quote
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The game was released by Sony in Japan, in its uncut form. So Sony has no problem with the content. NISA is the only one in the U.S. that would have to care about the rating. In the end, the only people in the U.S. who would buy the game is the fans who already know all about it already.


Sony of Japan doesn't. Sony of America is a different branch of that company and has to contend with different rules and cultures. The fact is that Sony of America restricts AO games from being sold on the system, so any game that gets an AO rating is essentially dead.

Plus, at least we don't have to deal with this in America...

http://www.siliconera.com/2013/10/24/sony-opens-adults-game-section-ps3-japan/

Sony of Japan opened an 18+ version of the store, which includes games like this:

The Last of Us
God of War: Ascension
Killer is Dead
Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor’s Edge
Sleeping Dogs
Hitman Absolution

Could you imagine if games like those were given AO ratings over here?
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TarsTarkas



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:01 am Reply with quote
Rahxephon91 wrote:
TarsTarkas wrote:
@RyanSaotome

The game was released by Sony in Japan, in its uncut form. So Sony has no problem with the content. NISA is the only one in the U.S. that would have to care about the rating. In the end, the only people in the U.S. who would buy the game is the fans who already know all about it already.
That's not how it works.

What happens in one region doesn't mean it will go the same here. The Cero had to rate the game in Japan. Here the ESRB would have to rate it and if it did get an AO rating Sony America would deny it and retailers wouldn't stock it.


Was the first Mugen Souls actually sold in stores, at places like Best Buy and Game Stop? I don't remember seeing it on the shelves. I would think the majority of sales would be online. I don't know why Sony America would deny it, if they don't have a financial stake in it, they are not Apple after all. But if there is a historical precedent for it? I would think all risk would be with NISA and not with Sony.
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RyanSaotome



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:12 am Reply with quote
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Rahxephon91 wrote:
TarsTarkas wrote:
@RyanSaotome

The game was released by Sony in Japan, in its uncut form. So Sony has no problem with the content. NISA is the only one in the U.S. that would have to care about the rating. In the end, the only people in the U.S. who would buy the game is the fans who already know all about it already.
That's not how it works.

What happens in one region doesn't mean it will go the same here. The Cero had to rate the game in Japan. Here the ESRB would have to rate it and if it did get an AO rating Sony America would deny it and retailers wouldn't stock it.


Was the first Mugen Souls actually sold in stores, at places like Best Buy and Game Stop? I don't remember seeing it on the shelves. I would think the majority of sales would be online. I don't know why Sony America would deny it, if they don't have a financial stake in it, they are not Apple after all. But if there is a historical precedent for it? I would think all risk would be with NISA and not with Sony.


Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas is the most famous example. After the hot coffee incident, the rating was changed to AO and stores refused to stock it and Sony refused to support it, so Rockstar needed to reissue an M rated version.

Its basically an image thing. Sony doesn't want to be seen as supporting porn and other immoral stuff like that.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:22 am Reply with quote
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Was the first Mugen Souls actually sold in stores, at places like Best Buy and Game Stop?
Yes.

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I would think the majority of sales would be online.
I wouldn't. I would except a good majority if not more then half are bought from places like Gamestop. Many people still don't like buying online. Either way, there's no measurements out there, but I doubt NISA would want it's games to be blocked from Gamestop and whatnot.

But it would'nt matter anyway if it was AO. It would'nt be allowed by Sony to be published on their system.

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I don't know why Sony America would deny it, if they don't have a financial stake in it, they are not Apple after all.
They are though. Sony has to approve of every game published. Companies have to pay Sony a fee to publish games on their system. To be published you need to be rated by the ESRB and if you get rated AO they don't want that on their system.

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But if there is a historical precedent for it? I would think all risk would be with NISA and not with Sony.
Yes. When GTASA was re-rated AO is was removed from stores and not supposed to be sold until it was re-issued without the Hot coffee material.

It's also why there are no AO games. Console manufacturers don't allow them on their systems and retailers don't sell them.

Would Mugen Souls be rated AO? I don't know and NISA doesn't want to find out. Or maybe they already know and this is why they edit it. You have to pay the ESRB for them to rate your game. Probably have to re-pay them if you have to be rated again.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:10 pm Reply with quote
I have a simple solution import the uncut version from japan.
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razisgosu



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:06 pm Reply with quote
Cecilthedarkknight_234 wrote:
I have a simple solution import the uncut version from japan.


Simple solution is great if you understand Japanese. If you don't there's no point.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:20 am Reply with quote
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Which is being cut from the English release, like the first game.

Believe me, that was a dead giveaway the moment I saw it. It also notified me of what demographic this game is made to appeal towards...not me.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:59 pm Reply with quote
Well, looks like Japan censor GTA 5 for both sex and violence. Is that enough payback for US for censoring Mugen Souls? So we're censoring/cutting out content in Mugen Souls and in return Japan censor GTA5.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 2:09 am Reply with quote
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Well, looks like Japan censor GTA 5 for both sex and violence. Is that enough payback for US for censoring Mugen Souls? So we're censoring/cutting out content in Mugen Souls and in return Japan censor GTA5.


1. Those two things have absolutely NOTHING to do with each other (one did not cause the other).

2. This entire debate has NOTHING to do with "payback" or "tit-for-tat" with concern to game censoring (it has everything to do with whether or not it is appropriate for NISA to be cutting content out of Mugen Souls Z for its U.S. release).

I'm starting to feel that you post just for the sake of posting (really?). Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 8:46 am Reply with quote
Shiratori1 wrote:
mdo7 wrote:
Well, looks like Japan censor GTA 5 for both sex and violence. Is that enough payback for US for censoring Mugen Souls? So we're censoring/cutting out content in Mugen Souls and in return Japan censor GTA5.


1. Those two things have absolutely NOTHING to do with each other (one did not cause the other).

2. This entire debate has NOTHING to do with "payback" or "tit-for-tat" with concern to game censoring (it has everything to do with whether or not it is appropriate for NISA to be cutting content out of Mugen Souls Z for its U.S. release).

I'm starting to feel that you post just for the sake of posting (really?). Rolling Eyes


People complain about US censor Japanese games, yet the same people never spoke up about when US game get censor in Japan. Beside you, I don't see anybody complaining about my comment, what is your problem??
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Shiratori1



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:15 pm Reply with quote
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People complain about US censor Japanese games, yet the same people never spoke up about when US game get censor in Japan. Beside you, I don't see anybody complaining about my comment, what is your problem??


1. My problem is the fact that your post has very little to do with the topic at hand and just seems like posting for the sake of posting.

2. Just because no one else is complaining about your comment doesn't mean that it isn't off-topic or inappropriate.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:17 pm Reply with quote
Shiratori1 wrote:
mdo7 wrote:
People complain about US censor Japanese games, yet the same people never spoke up about when US game get censor in Japan. Beside you, I don't see anybody complaining about my comment, what is your problem??


1. My problem is the fact that your post has very little to do with the topic at hand and just seems like posting for the sake of posting.

2. Just because no one else is complaining about your comment doesn't mean that it isn't off-topic or inappropriate.


Ummm... well, sure, I guess, but only seem to post mostly for the sake of being argumentative, belligerent and insulting.
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Shiratori1



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:55 pm Reply with quote
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Ummm... well, sure, I guess, but only seem to post mostly for the sake of being argumentative, belligerent and insulting.


Yeah, no. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:59 pm Reply with quote
Shiratori1 wrote:
Surrender Artist wrote:
Ummm... well, sure, I guess, but only seem to post mostly for the sake of being argumentative, belligerent and insulting.


Yeah, no. Rolling Eyes


Surrender Artist seem to be correct, you're targeting to me for some reason, I don't see the mod coming down on me for my post, maybe I should have a mod report on you for maybe targeting me for no reason. As I said, nobody complain about my comment except you so I don't have to listen to you.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 2:07 pm Reply with quote
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Surrender Artist seem to be correct, you're targeting to me for some reason, I don't see the mod coming down on me for my post, maybe I should have a mod report on you for maybe targeting me for no reason. As I said, nobody complain about my comment except you so I don't have to listen to you.


Do what you want. However, your previous comments are still off-topic and have no relation to the debate at hand. Rolling Eyes
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