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EricJ2
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I remember when we were comparing Outbreak Company to a metaphor of anime's first breakout in the US-- "Cool Japan" oddly mirrors the government/army trying to force export sales on an alien foreign country that seems like a useful market, but what it needs is the geek fan-passion of a Shinichi to get us hooked on WHY it's cool...And then the disease spreads. We already had that in the 90's, with the underground college fans, twenty years before the marketing and authority figures decided to try and exploit a piece of it. Last edited by EricJ2 on Fri Oct 31, 2014 3:26 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Sakura Shinguji
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I don't spend as much time here as many other folks do, but even my limited browsing has been enough to make me tired of that one-note drum beat. And to see it taking up valuable space in an Answerman column is depressing. Yes, it's good of Justin to take a question at face value. But when that question is so badly loaded, and instead of being born of any true interest in the Cool Japan concept is simply the latest part of an incessant and undying laser-focused campaign that hardly anyone here seems to even care about, it's just a waste. Though maybe it was just a slow week for questions. |
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Fronzel
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Angel Cop's schlock dub is the best thing about that awful mess.
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walw6pK4Alo
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To that K-issue, I don't really follow Letter-pop or Letter-dramas, so maybe I'll care about how great Korea's cultural export is when they start making anime.
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Paiprince
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They kinda did and it's pretty terrible. Their manwha on the other hand fares better, but if you're not into martial arts or K-drama with manga art, then you're going to have a tough time. |
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Hoppy800
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I just want a South Korean company to enter the console market, give me something that will revitalize my love for console gaming.
As for the bad dubs, just wow I didn't know how things were crappy back then when it comes to dubbing anime much less being such a slow process. I always thought for well over 20 years that the bad dubs were just a result of last second voice acting. Also, how VAs came to be today is similar to how most of the anime industry today in Japan is being ran by mostly rabid fans coming either right out of college or from another related gig (ex. eroge or doujinshi), which also resulted in quality being all over the place. |
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noblesse oblige
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I think dubs are the same as they've always been: a wide spectrum skewing poor with a few gems here and there. What boggles my mind is that there is seemingly no rhyme or reason to it. A show like Attack on Titan you would think would have no expense spared when it came to dubbing, but the voice for Eren makes it unwatchable. I'm not some sort of sub purist either. I'll occasionally come across original japanese voice actors that I can't stand as well, usually some idol trying to promote their singing career. If only every dub could be like the one for Steamboy!
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brankoburcksen
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Your last, very long comment, answered my own speculation way better than I articulated my question.
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Taskforce
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I actually liked Myung and wish Anne Sherman had done more anime in the past than she did. The one thing I can say about her is at least she didn't do the voices with that unnatural squeaky voice that is 50 octaves higher than her natural voice that most VA's use in todays dubbing. With some of these VA's recently, you expect the neighborhood dogs to start howling at the unnatural highs they generate. Yes, some of them can actually act, but they could do it just as easily (or probably easier) a few octaves lower and more natural sounding. And when they can't act, that high pitch just makes things even worse.
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Fronzel
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Leafie is pretty good; spoiler[it's better than Wolf Children], and I just watched The Fake which has got me really interested in Yeon Sang-ho's other work. It wasn't very "anime-y", though, if that matters. I've never seen any television series, though. |
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HeeroTX
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Regarding mdo7's K-Crusade, I actually found the response in the column interesting as I hadn't really given much thought to how Korea was handling the internet (makes sense when you also consider the e-sports scene, that they'd be so much more internet friendly than even the US probably). The openness to "sharing" might be especially relevant when you consider how Korea is similar to how America treats media from places (like Europe). I don't usually watch doramas, but I actually did watch a K-Drama series on CrunchyRoll called "Queen of Office" which is really good. It's worth noting that (altho the plot is NOTHING like it) it is similar to the American "The Office" in that its a complete remake of a foreign (Japanese) show. I believe Taiwan also re-purposes a bunch of Japanese content. So it might be interesting to consider "inspired by Japanese version" content when discussing reach.
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dtm42
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Justin's answer to mdo7 is so pro-K and anti-J that mdo7 could have written it himself, LOL.
But yeah, ribbing aside, Japan really is stuck in the twentieth century. Their entertainment industry has good talent and does extremely well domestically - as you'd expect - but they'll always struggle to be a global force when they are so backwards and up themselves. Even if the geriatrics currently in charge of the Japanese music industry retire immediately I am doubtful that things will get better any time soon. |
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mdo7
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Oh wow, my question (the last one) got answered, Thanks Justin!!!
I agreed, and for any of you on ANN that are still skeptic about if Korean pop culture has made it this far, well: Grammy-The K-Pop Explosion Fuse TV report on K-pop (Fuse 2 article on K-pop breakthrough in US: 2012, and 2013) Mnet America video on K-pop breathrough in US and around the world NBC News-What is K-pop Korean Dramas Hook Millennial Viewers Who Speak Spanish and English-DramaFever viewership jumped 440% in a year Here's why millions of Americans are binge-watching Korean dramas
Justin, I did notice that too. It seems like Japan and South Korea are the opposite of each other when it comes to adapting new tech. As a matter of fact, most of the new cutting-edge tech that are coming out of Asia are either from South Korea, Taiwan, and China. But not from Japan.
Well Justin, piracy can be a thorn but it did played a critical role for South Korea: Beyond Hallyu-Would Hallyu ever be possible without piracy? Despite rampart piracy, sales for Korean music continue to rise and companies in South Korea didn't face any financial losses from piracy. SM, YG, and JYP had seen sales doubled for the last 3 years. Meanwhile, Japan's music sales continue to decline and Japan put up a lot of anti-piracy measure. So this makes me question Japan's claim of piracy hurting their market when South Korea seem to be benefiting from rampart piracy.
For some of you that are wondering what's up with Japan not heavily promoting (as in aggressive marketing when South Korea is good at this) their other aspect of their pop culture outside of Japan/Asia when South Korea is so good at this, read this article I found from last month. I'll quote:
This part of the article got my attention too:
When I was in South Korea for 1 month I saw a lot of Korean celebrities on billboard, cutouts, posters, and many TV ads have K-pop idols, and Korean celebrities in them. I mean they're everywhere (the ads containing K-pop idols and Korean celebrities) when I was in Seoul. I haven't been to Japan, but if what the quote above said is true about Japanese celebrities don't do direct endorsement, then I can see why Japanese celebrities aren't household name outside of Japan and Asia unlike Korean one. I also think Japan's institutional xenophobia (which is deeply ingrained into Japanese society) could be another reason why Japanese celebrities aren't globally well-known compared to their Korean counterpart. I even read an article about Japan's deglobalization.
Well I'm keeping my eye out, but it wouldn't surprise me if LG can make a gaming console that can rival Playstation 4 and Xbox One. Regarding the other question: About campy anime dub from 80's and 90's: They may be horrible (the dub I mean), but they're worth for a good laugh. Regarding Edgar question: Yes, I agreed with Justin on how anime became very big in Latin America and Europe and didn't have the same impact in US until thanks to network TVs, and the internet. Last edited by mdo7 on Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:30 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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danilo07
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LOL Korean animators. As far as other Korean cultural exports are concerned their movies are good, but their pop music and TV dramas are the personification of Satan. Just so there is no place for wrong interpretation, pop music and TV dramas generally suck regardless one's nation. |
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EricJ2
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....Zoom. (Y'know that Gary Larson Far Side cartoon, about "What we tell dogs, and what they hear"? Well, actually guess most here do, it keeps getting cited in regards to Snomaster posts, as well.) |
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