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omiya
Posts: 1827 Location: Adelaide, South Australia |
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It's weird to me being able to watch Japanese movies with English subtitles on Singapore Airlines flights to and from Japan that are neither released on blu-ray / DVD anywhere with English subtitles nor shown on television or in cinemas in any English speaking country with English subtitles (not even at Japanese film festivals). |
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mdo7
Posts: 6253 Location: Katy, Texas, USA |
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Omiya that's the big issue, a lot of Japanese films hasn't gotten release outside of Japan/Asia. I mean as I mention, on Dramafever, there's no Japanese films at all (when I can find a big catalog of Korean and Chinese cinema), and Funimation hasn't picked up Japanese films (except Space battleship Yamato) for the last 2 or 3 years. |
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Ryo Hazuki
Posts: 363 Location: Finland |
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I think it's less "Japan" not offering but "The West" not demanding. There are many Japanese movies released on DVD in Hong Kong or South Korea (and actually France and Italy) that haven't been released elsewhere or at least earlier.
For example Nana (2005) was released not long after its Japanese release in Hong Kong, Taiwan and South Korea and Mika Nakashima and Ryuhei Matsuda even promoted the movie in Hong Kong. IMDB shows it had some sort of USA release in 2008 but I don't think it's because, its Japanese company had forbidden its release before that. Other movies, which have been released earlier in Asia (excluding Japan) and some European countries than The US include Space Battleship Yamato and Rurouni Kenshin. To my knowledge there still isn't an American release for Only Yesterday or Ocean Waves, AKA I can hear the sea, but you can't blame Ghibli or Japan for that. One non-Japanese example, who had difficulties at conquering Western (or at least American) market but had it somewhat easier in Japan is Jackie Chan. Other than dubbing, his movies didn't even have to be changed for the Japanese audience, for example Japanese DVDs for Drunken Master II and Police Story III are the original Hong Kong versions. Only after teaming up with American comedians, he's found mainstream popularity in the States but those movies didn't do as well in Asia so he's still had to make movies in Hong Kong and China to maintain his original audience. |
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omiya
Posts: 1827 Location: Adelaide, South Australia |
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They were both released in Australia through Madman, who also release some Japanese and East Asian movies: http://www.madman.com.au/actions/catalogue.do?method=browse&labelId=57&sortKey=3 I'd almost prefer the Japanese movies other than the likes of Gantz and Yamato to be released in Japan only region free but with subtitles in multiple languages. |
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Ryo Hazuki
Posts: 363 Location: Finland |
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I have two Australian anime DVDs, of which Space Firebird 2772/Phoenix 2772 isn't released anywhere else and Osamu Tezuka's Experimental Films was released earlier than in the US. Some of my UK anime DVDs seem to be basically the same releases as the Australian ones, or at least they credit Madman Entertainment.
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mdo7
Posts: 6253 Location: Katy, Texas, USA |
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@ Ryo Hazuki, I think you need to read one of my post on another thread, I cited a Variety article why Japanese films aren't getting a lot of releases in the US and outside of Asia, I'll quote this in case if you don't want to read all of it:
I think this is the Japanese side that are the one not marketing their films outside of Asia. As I said, I'm seeing Dramafever only has catalog of Korean and Chinese film, no Japanese film despite having some catalog of J-dramas. I mean Dramafever doesn't even have Thermae Romae, it's like Japanese film industry don't trust internet streaming unlike their Korean and Chinese counterpart. |
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Ryo Hazuki
Posts: 363 Location: Finland |
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Now I know why Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind was edited into Warriors of the Wind and Corman's company shortened Galaxy Express 999 movie. The Americans are just trying to make the Japanese movies watchable. Too bad that Miyazaki didn't let Harvey Sweinstein to cut Princess Mononoke. It would have been a great success. Damn you, nationalistic Japanese pride and galapagos syndrome!
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mdo7
Posts: 6253 Location: Katy, Texas, USA |
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I'm afraid it's beyond that. Funimation used to pick up Japanese films, but as I mention after 2010 (or 2011, I don't recall), they stopped picking up films from Japan, the only exception this year is the live-action Space Battleship Yamato, but other then that they never picked up other Japanese films. Funimation started to pick up Chinese films, and 2 Korean films. Funimation isn't the only one, I remember Magnolia films and Well Go USA used to pick up Japanese films too but they stopped picking them up (however, Magnolia Films did get Beyond Outrage this year), since then they only focus picking up Chinese and Korean films. Well Go USA picked up Kundo for the US release, they've also picked up another Korean film, Trafficker, and a Chinese film, Once upon a time in Shanghai just recently for US release. |
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Stuart Smith
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I'm just wondering, what do you gain out of Japan caring about marketing films overseas? Do you actually care or is it just some pissing contest at this point?
It comes down to design philosophy. Western movies are developed to generate money and attract in the widest audience with the lowest common denominator. While a lot of Japanese movies often appeal to specific niches that are very good at satisfying a smaller, but loyal, group of customers. Why then, as a consumer who spends a lot of time watching movies would you ever choose the lowest common denominator instead of something targetted specifically at you with differential appeal? It makes no sense from a consumer standpoint. Seeing that quote of "they demand faithfulness (to the original material) and no one tries to fight them” being used as some kind of negative is staggaring, and just reeks of Hollywood suits. Faithfulness to source material is bad now? It may be limiting the appeal to fans of the source material, but again, how is that bad as a consumer? Part of the reason I love anime or manga movies and movies based on TV series like Garo, Kamen Rider are because they are actually faithful and are in continuity with the TV series usually. If we're truly getting to the point where people are saying we should censor and edit films like Princess Mononoke, then that's where we need to stop and evaluate just what our priorities are. If that's what people think it'll take, then maybe the west isn't ready for Japanese movies yet. -Stuart Smith |
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mdo7
Posts: 6253 Location: Katy, Texas, USA |
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Because a lot of Korean and Chinese films have gotten release (both home video and streaming on sits like Dramafever) in the US when Japanese films getting license in the US is very rare these day. I mean go to Dramafever and you don't see any Japanese films (aside from J-dramas, and 2 co-production films between Korea and Japan) on there at all when they have Korean and Chinese films only. You never watched any Japanese films, have you?? |
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Rahxephon91
Posts: 1859 Location: Park Forest IL. |
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Yep, all American movies are made just like that. Yep completly. All American movies are Transformers and offer no creative and artistic creation to them. All American movies are just made to appeal to everyone and are thus very bland movies. Nothing like the glorious Nippon movies who's mainstream blockbusters are filled with the same troupes to appeal to Japanese audiences. Yep Japan is so much better.
Do you ever stop Staurt Smith or am I the only one who see's your awful shtick? |
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Ryo Hazuki
Posts: 363 Location: Finland |
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Doesn't anyone else think that Ghibli made kind of a dick move by not asking from Disney what would be appropriate for Amer- oops, I mean Western audiences, when making Only Yesterday? I think Isao Takahata might have caught Galapagos virus from one of his holidays. If you edited out the boring and questionable scenes and added Psy's Gangnam style MV at the end, it would be a world wide hit, even in the West, where it's never been released on DVD or Blu-ray.
I also think Hirokazu Koreeda made a mistake by not shooting Like Father, Like a Son in the US with American cast in English. Like it has been stated, Japan doesn't allow it's movies to be shown abroad, which is why you can Like Father, Like a Son only by visiting the country. He must have caught the Galapagos virus from the same place as Takahata. |
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mdo7
Posts: 6253 Location: Katy, Texas, USA |
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To Ryo Hazuki, a little off topic but relate to film/cinema. The Korean film Cart, which came out in South Korean cinema last month is going to get a special screening in Texas. Texas has been a hot ground for Korean pop culture recently like Topp Dogg a 13 member K-pop boy group is coming to Texas according to Billboard and Kpopstarz.
So that makes me question if my prediction if Funimation could jump (as in "cashing in", given that they are friends with VIXX 2 years back) onto the Korean pop culture fad could really happen. |
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Anti_Nadalista
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People still talking about about low music sales but America is in worse condition, even digital sales are plummeting. I don´t trust western sources, they are most of the time wrong or clueless and i have my own sources anyway. Japanese are "irrelevant" in Itunes but Laruku and X-japan played a gig in the arena of the MSG and they didn't have a marketing machine or a viral video behind them. Latin america don't love Koreans dramas that much, they are niche. Brazil and Colombia are actually dominating the market of dramas in the region. Sales in America are so low that Babymetal debut was one of the best selling albums in the rock genre this year . One Ok Rock had a tour in latin america this past month and a lot people went to their concerts, same with The Gazette last year. Laruku is the biggest Japanese band overseas IMO, they are really popular in Latin America and it´s a shame that they didn't play there in the last World Tour. Chile is the biggest market for Japanese and Korean acts AFAIK, a Laruku Concert in Chile will have many people from all the region going. One Ok Rock could be in Laruku level in the future if they play their cards right. I want to see Classic Japanese films in Dramafever, people will see actually good films for once in that site . |
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Keonyn
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Posts: 5567 Location: Coon Rapids, MN |
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Careful with blanket statements, particularly when presented with obvious and extreme bias. You can't sit there saying "I don't trust sources and have my own sources" because no sources are presented and no credible supporting argument why sources you "don't trust" can't be trusted. Frankly, you've presented nothing here.
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