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EP. REVIEW: Kiznaiver


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Valhern



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:32 am Reply with quote
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JesuOtaku wrote:
I think it's highly possible that someone could feel pleasure from any and every kind of pain, or whatever. There is no set-in-stone guideline for how to be a masochist. People have all kinds of strange quirks and fetishes that don't easily fit anywhere in particular. I've read/watched a lot of pornography, much of it BDSM, and what is meant to turn the audience on varies drastically from work to work. Some people like diapers so much that putting on as many as possible is sexually arousing. This isn't hard for me to buy and I don't have to chalk it up to sci-fi nonsense.


That is the "variety" of fetishes within BDSM, but none of those break the basic structure of safe space for fantasy.

Masochism, and sadism, are not purely a sexual fantasy. A sadomasochist tendency is manifested in more ways than only sexual, and when it's sexual, there are certain rules for it to be at least considered in the definition of BDSM, otherwise it could lead to unhealthy choices (I doubt BDSM people like falling from a three stories building) of different degree, Kiznaiver could be slightly referencing that. I repeat, slightly, at least so far, since I can see this overstretched to some sci-fi stuff, not that that's a problem.

I wouldn't like to get into the details of non-sexual sadism and masochism, I know some people would prefer not reading about that stuff, but I think people can imagine what the concept of unconcern (or lack of care) for your own or someone else's body and psyche mean.
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relyat08



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:08 pm Reply with quote
Valhern wrote:

but I think people can imagine what the concept of unconcern (or lack of care) for your own or someone else's body and psyche mean.


I imagine that's where the show will go from here. After Sonozaki says "if everyone feels each others pain, there won't be conflict anymore" It seems like the shows focus might largely be on proving that wrong with Hisomu and Katsuhira.
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H. Guderian



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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2016 8:59 pm Reply with quote
I'm lightly enjoying the show, but I felt it has the potential to move to something great by more talented hands than my own. So I can't say what. This review does echo many of my thoughts. The Masochism angle really feels gimmicky, and the Obvious Attempts to pair the characters off feels like dawdling. I'm expecting a show about analysis of the human condition on the level of Evangelion. Or at least I'm hoping for that level. The 'pairing' that happened in that show could happen off screen or as a gag, but was always subordinate to the plot. Kiznaiver wants to dig into everyone's minds, but has the main plot still hidden, and barely worked to it, while proudly announcing there are Pairs to be had and gandered.

This show can take off. So long as it actually intends to go somewhere and not break down into antics.
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Via_01



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PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2016 10:15 pm Reply with quote
I enjoyed the episode, but yeah, it wasn't one of the better ones. I'm generally not a person that minds humor that might be offensive to some (ex: Tenga fearing Yoshiharu might be gay because of his fetish and stuff), so my sensibilities might be off, but I've seen people complain about the mean fat joke in the middle of the episode, and I have to say: if the character that's making that joke is characterized as mean, if the joke's intent was to be mean in order to keep another character away, and if the tone of the scene wasn't comedic at all, is it really a "negative" of the show?
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Bobduh



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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 6:38 am Reply with quote
Via_01 wrote:
I've seen people complain about the mean fat joke in the middle of the episode, and I have to say: if the character that's making that joke is characterized as mean, if the joke's intent was to be mean in order to keep another character away, and if the tone of the scene wasn't comedic at all, is it really a "negative" of the show?

Personally, I was 100% fine with that conversation - as I said in the review, I think it was a perfectly understandable piece of character writing. I think the show has sunken into less defensible statements at other times, where it seems like the audience is expected to laugh along with the characters, but I feel that complaining about that particular scene is indeed confusing character voice with authorial voice. Characters are allowed to be not-nice people!
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Merida



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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2016 4:17 pm Reply with quote
Gosh, the "love drama" is already getting on my nerves and it would be really nice to finally learn more about what's the deal with the Kizna committee.

This isn't as ridiculous as Lost Village (yet) but it's also not quite as entertaining. I really hope there's more to this show than just teenage angst ...
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HaruhiToy



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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2016 7:13 pm Reply with quote
Ep 5 review wrote:
But if I never see another “walk in on two characters almost kissing, run away in despair” scene, it'll be too soon.

Right there with you but I don't have much hope of that little affliction going anywhere. Ever.

I think they have held on to the secret agenda for the so-called Kiznaiver project long enough. Portentous statements alone, like "we might just make it," don't create any tension. They just make me irritable. Out with it already.
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Gina Szanboti



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The episode's second half featured a fairly predictable reveal about the nature of the Kizuna system - apparently, the Kiznaivers aren't just linked through pain, but also through their other emotions.

It sounded to me like this was less the "nature" of the system and more a hoped-for but unexpected side-effect. The committee seemed as surprised as the kids were, but also pleased by this (ahead-of-schedule?) development. Also the two boys did not seem to share the same kind of emotional bond, because the tag-along kid was certainly angsting up his own storm before Chidori let loose.

While I still have mixed feelings about Yoshiharu's role, I really enjoy looking at his face. His expressions just mellow me out, and when he smiles, I find myself smiling with him. He's kinda like Grell on tranquilizers.
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GlassesMan



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PostPosted: Sun May 08, 2016 7:07 pm Reply with quote
Personally, I think this might end up being my favorite show of the season. I honestly love purely character driven shows. Oregairu Zoku was like that, and it is one of favorite anime. I love the contrasts between the characters, but I'm worried they won't have enough time to complete their arcs. From what I see this is how things might have to go.

Episodes 1-3= Introducing the 7 Kiznaivers
Episode 4-5= Them getting to know each other
Episodes 6-10= Character focused episodes to flesh out the characters in the context of the Kiznaiver system, especially Maki, Nico, and Hisomu who are still rather enigmatic
Episode 11-12= Climax- The Kizuna project either succeeds or fails. Katsuhira and Sonozaki past arc.
Episode 13= Epilogue

I'm especially interested in Maki and Nico, who both seem more emotionally fragile than they let on. Fingers crossed that Okada does well with their characterization.
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Angel M Cazares



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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 2:27 pm Reply with quote
I definitely agree that episodes 6 is one of the best ones (if not outright the best) that the show has pulled off so far. Honoka became my favorite character very early in the series, and I am pleased that the most interesting stuff is revolving around her. Kiznaiver might not be the show I wanted it to be (something similar to Kill la Kill), but I like what it is currently doing.
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HaruhiToy



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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 6:53 pm Reply with quote
Ep 6 review wrote:
Tenga's disbelieving “this counts as saving Maki?”

The effective thing is I had the same reaction a few milliseconds before. They chased the unwanted film crew away and in that sense "saved" her but other than the temporary relief from that they were obviously expecting as I was that they would have to do something to help her heal.

This isn't the first time the gang passed a mission with what seems like a cheap or superficial win. Last time it was "finding Chidori" and like so what.

So the disappointment is clearly set up by the story deliberately but I wonder to what end. Does Sonozaki understand this, or if she does is there something else she is focused on or what?

Great episode.
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vonPeterhof



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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 7:39 pm Reply with quote
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In spite of that, Katsuhira's “I'm disappointed in you” actually does come as a blow.
Arguably the subs softened it quite a bit: the word he used in the original, 軽蔑する (keibetsu suru), is closer to "to despise" or "to scorn" rather than "to be disappointed". Granted, he used it in the perfective aspect (often simplistically equated to the past tense in Japanese grammar) which might imply that it was a momentary feeling rather than a continued state, but it's still an extremely confrontational thing to say to someone's face.
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GlassesMan



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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2016 10:03 pm Reply with quote
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Arguably the subs softened it quite a bit: the word he used in the original, 軽蔑する (keibetsu suru), is closer to "to despise" or "to scorn" rather than "to be disappointed". Granted, he used it in the perfective aspect (often simplistically equated to the past tense in Japanese grammar) which might imply that it was a momentary feeling rather than a continued state, but it's still an extremely confrontational thing to say to someone's face.


Thank you for the translation. This just makes it clear that Katsuhira is feeling far more emotionally powerful than I thought. I mean, it was clear from the beginning that he wasn't completely apathetic, but as was mentioned in the review, he's learning how to express himself more. While I love learning about Maki, I hope we have time for the other characters to develop, since Tenga,Nico, and Hisomu might only have an episode apiece.
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DuskyPredator



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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2016 7:13 am Reply with quote
I said it earlier after it supposedly "showed its hand", the show was only getting started, there are more to these characters. I personally really like how these characters are done. Just like one scene where Niko runs after Maki in knowing that they are both lonely and that she wants to help because she has some idea of how she is feeling. It comes right back towards the end when she comments at how the pain they are sharing could be 7 times worse.
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LightYapper



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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 7:09 am Reply with quote
After a whole bunch of random silliness thrown in the face, I'm kinda glad to see a character episode for Maki. That turned out far better than I could have expected (albeit the absurdity with the film crew). So it does seem like Kiznaiver is going somewhere.

Looking forward to more, particularly Nico's episode (she clearly is keen for a childlike person, so curious about what pushed that). But really, does Sonozaki actually have an idea that she's indirectly hurting Katsuhira more than anyone else?
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