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digidragon
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:29 pm Reply with quote
Ok, I'LL respond to what you said.

Vegetarianism and Veganism are personal choices made for various reasons, but I don't know anyone who does it because they think they're going to reduce the suffering in the world. Many people do it because they, personally, don't want to lend to any kind of animal abuse. So it's just like you said. But it's not "wrong." Nor is it crazy. (You didn't say this, but I can understand wondering at someone who swears off your favorite food type. Anime smile I can't live without milk, myself.) It's not impressive either. (Except in that it can show someone's self control.)

And I definitely agree with you on the waste issue.

Aw, now this is an anime board and I got so off-topic. Great double-sized installment this week!
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Moomintroll



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:37 pm Reply with quote
dewlwieldthedarpachief wrote:
Okay professor let's back up:

For an English language expert you sorely lack in your ability to distinguish sarcasm and explanations.


I wasn't attempting to wow you with expert knowledge of the English tongue - I was attempting to bridge the linguistic divide between your side of the Atlantic (I'm presuming you're American) and mine lest you take excessive umbrage. "Britain and America - two nations divided by a common language" and all that.

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I appreciate your advice on winning friends and influencing people, I'll be sure to integrate that and pillock into my life. And I mean that sincerely.


Glad to have been of service - one does one's best.

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I invite an actual rebuttal to that, in fact I might cry tears of joy.


I'm really not interested in rebutting whatever notions you have about the cycle of life on a sodding anime forum. Frankly, I had presumed you were just trolling. If you weren't, then I apologise for bruising your pride - but I still don't want to engage in that discussion with you in this place, at this time.

I'm okay with sarcastic banter though.

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I don't care about being right, or making friends, or influencing people.


That's wonderful news - with that attitude you will doubtless avoid many disappointments in life. Wink

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But thanks. EDIT: I don't think you were trying to, you know, be a prick.


That wasn't bad. This may come as a suprise to you (it certainly did to me) but I think I'm actually warming to you.
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dewlwieldthedarpachief



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:44 pm Reply with quote
Anime cry Oh gracious soul...

Yeaah, sorta violently derailed it there.

I think someone mentioned they liked the Berserk anime more than the manga? I can't decide for myself...the anime commanded about 5 repeat viewings out of me, but once I careened through the Darkhorse manga I turned to scanlations...

So why can't anime command the same kind of quality in terms of story, art, drama, etc. ? Couldn't they just put the same budget into half the episodes? I guess with a show like Bleach you don't have to because so many people would watch it anyway, but what about other shows that are constricted by budget? I would take 12 rockin' episodes of whatever over a drawn-out borefest sometimes punctuated by limp battles and whatnot...
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:20 am Reply with quote
I just wanted to say that I appreciate you, Moomintroll. Thumbs up, dude.

Additionally, I want to say that I'm NOT a vegan. There's no way. I eat honey and milk, and that disqualifies me.

I also want to say that the reason that I'm a vegetarian is not because I think it's "moral" to not eat animals. I was raised to not eat animals, and when I was old enough to decide for myself, I just decided to continue to not eat animals. I don't hold animals as being more important than plants, fungi, or other creatures, and I realize that creatures eat each other all of the time. Circle of life. It's just a personal choice to not eat meat, and I think that my heart may be healthier for it. I also find that it looks and smells gross. So there.

Oh, and in the battle of anime vs. manga, I would like to add that it depends. In general, I would want to watch anime, but sometimes shounen anime can be very long and drawn out compared to their manga, and have a lot of filler. DBZ is the worst-case scenario.


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dewlwieldthedarpachief



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:13 am Reply with quote
If you check my original post, I covered the "some people just don't like meat" side of the argument. That's cool. I regret carrying on with that now, but I'll contest I was pretty comprehensible for a drunk person.

I think shounen is hardly the most guilty in terms of dragging things out...I think it just seems more unnatural due to the fact people should be fighting and not whatever lame drama they exploit for easy animation. What do you think about shortening series runtime for quality?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 7:51 am Reply with quote
Fiction Alchemist wrote:
I just wanted to say that I appreciate you, Moomintroll. Thumbs up, dude.


Thankyou fellow herbivore. Wink
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Fiction Alchemist



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:30 am Reply with quote
I would approve of shortening series runtime for quality, but I may be biased because I prefer shorter series. I believe in the art of editing. If it can't make a point of its own and doesn't compliment something else in some way, then why not cut it? It should ESPECIALLY be cut if it contradicts something the show previously set, like DBZ's Garlic Jr. saga. I despise that filler arc.

The thing that kills me about DBZ is that it's supposed to be about fighting, but usually the characters are standing around, talking smack and powering up/transforming to a more powerful form. When they finally do get to the fighting, it's rather weak animation that usually consists of punch and kick flurries in an animation loop and/or rapid ineffective ki blasts. I wonder what could have been done if they were working on a shorter, tighter show. I think they could have gotten a lot more creative. You can ultimately save a lot of time by just reading its manga, I think.

An exception to my desire for faster pacing would be Texhnolyze. I mention Texhnolyze despite its low episode count because it intentionally went for a slow pace. The first half, which was definitely dragged out, was still really moody and effective at what it tried to do, in my opinion. Second half seemed more forced and rushed, and focused on the wrong things (and the wrong characters). Although the second half was also slow-paced, it was not the slow pace that weakened it for me, rather it was what I believe to be an ineffective use of the remaining runtime.

I'm not sure how exactly to get my words across correctly, here. I guess I'll let this stand for now.

dewlwieldthedarpachief wrote:
I think shounen is hardly the most guilty in terms of dragging things out...I think it just seems more unnatural due to the fact people should be fighting and not whatever lame drama they exploit for easy animation. What do you think about shortening series runtime for quality?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:08 am Reply with quote
Fallout2man wrote:
tempest wrote:

(Long first ammendment post snipped for brevity)
-t


Technically speaking any method of saying something, even if it's offensive, obscene, or just the same thing someone else said, is the act of expressing something. So technically if we just go by a more constitutional version of common law, copyright would not exist.

Of course unfortunately thanks to the case I linked in my earlier post, there is a precident set legally that the government can supposedly ban "harmful speech" because of their liberal view of the constitution.

That said, it was enumerated in the constitution as an additional right for congress to make laws specifically in that case to promote the arts and sciences. It's another type of social contract where we agree to give up some freedom in return for something good. In this case more art and science. So it very much is expression, because you are still saying something, even if it's something someone else has said.

IP is actually closer to speech than physical property, but because we decided to form that contract, we signed our right to express certain things in certain ways at certain times. Unfortunately as of late it seems the contract has been getting terribly one sided.


Exactly. More specifically, US law does not recognise any intrinsic property right in creative works. (The UK is the same, though according to Wikipedia publishers (not authors) used to be considered to have a common law right to control all publication of their books forever - this was eventually thrown out because it meant that large chunks of our culture were locked up where only the rich could get to them.)

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Well I can at least understand that. Look around...it looks flat. Where people get into some delusional idea that the first ammendment protects pretty much any activity, I have no idea.


Actually, most people would probably be surprised how much the first amendment protects...
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dewlwieldthedarpachief



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:06 pm Reply with quote
I hope that was ironic or something...
EDIT: Aha, yes. winked. gotcha.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:49 am Reply with quote
Moomintroll wrote:
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psycho 101 wrote:
The basic rule is veggies don't eat meat.


Well, obviously. But, having been a vegetarian for over 30 years I can tell those still getting confused about this that "meat" in this context includes animal fats. This isn't rocket science people.

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I think they're all wacko myself


Thanks. Confused


It's called a joke, lighten up.

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since we're designed as humans to be omnivores, not herbivores.


Moomintroll wrote:

We're certainly not naturally equipped to eat anything like as much meat as the average American consumes.


Now I didn't say that now did I? A little thing called moderation goes a long way.
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