Forum - View topicINTEREST: Japanese School Opts for Flexible Uniform Code to Support LGBT Students
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Alan45
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zrdb Wrote:
Well, it is a plaid skirt, but if they called it a kilt wouldn't they have to go commando? |
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zrdb
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I've seen a lot that weren't plaid and never asked somebody what (if anything ) they were wearing under there. If it were me I would definitely be wearing something under it. But that's really beside the point of all this. The students should be free to wear what they want within the constraints of the uniform choices available to them without consequences.
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Sakagami Tomoyo
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It's a myth that it's forbidden to wear underwear when wearing a kilt, and in fact wearing underwear is recommended for hygiene reasons. But some people believe the myth, or prefer "going commando" for one reason or another. |
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Agent355
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Wow. Girls can wear pants. That's so progressive.
Forcing parents to buy expensive Armani clothes for kids who will outgrow them in a few months (and probably ruin them before that) is extortion! WTH?
That's great for girls who enjoy fashion and choose to wear skirts, not for girls who want to keep warm and *are forced by their schools to wear skirts as part of a standardized uniform*. I have no problems with school uniforms, or skirts. But I went to a parochial school. Why did secular schools in Japan take this long to allow girls to wear pants? |
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Chiibi
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Bullying is already a huge problem in Japanese schools.
.............so isn't this just going to make it a lot worse? Not for girls.....but for the boys.....definitely. Unless the boys don't change uniforms at all..... |
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Alan45
Village Elder Posts: 9840 Location: Virginia |
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@Sakagami Tomoyo
The reference to going commando was a joke, which this thread sorely needs. The school's announcement strikes me as a mixture of pragmatism and cynicism. They probably started out deciding to let the girls wear pants. Likely because they had a number of requests, they had girls already doing that or they faced the loss of top students if they didn't. That is the pragmatic part. At that point someone probably noted that such a policy would be a bit discriminatory. The response being "well the boys can wear skirts, it they really want to, heh, heh, heh". That being the cynical part. I bet the idea of supporting LGBT students was simply a rational to support a decision already made. All the fuss about the school "pushing" an LBGT agenda isn't supported by the announcement. Letting the girls wear pants isn't even vaguely controversial in this day and age. With regard to the boys wearing skirts, they are not pushing it. They are simply saying "here it is if you really want to" while acknowledging that likely no one would take them up on the offer. Given how much Japanese students are reported to value conformity, it would take an ego of steel to go that route. |
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NervClaX
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ANN completely shut down the forum comments after posting an article about the director of Recovery of an MMO Junkie, Kazuyoshi Yaginuma. Now, moderators are complaining about comments on THIS article.
If ANN isn't prepared to host a discussion about the articles they post, or the topics they broach, maybe they [the articles] don't belong on ANN. Maybe the site should just avoid social issues altogether and restrict articles to anime, manga, and the business thereof? I think some of the frustration I'm sensing from the moderators comes not from "trolls" but from an unwillingness to debate the merits of post-modernism and intersectional feminism. If the authors are willing to defend their work, we shouldn't be seeing such heavily moderated forums. |
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Mad_Scientist
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The ANN mods weren't complaining about this thread, they were issuing a warning to posters because a bunch of posts in this thread had to get deleted/edited for crossing the line, and others were pushing up against it. So they let people in this thread know: knock it off. In other words, they did their jobs as mods.
And believe me, ANN typically allows PLENTY of debate on basically any issue as long as the debate remains polite and doesn't swerve off topic and start to dominate the thread for a long period. Oftentimes debates on sensitive subjects get extremely heated and suddenly spawn 15 pages in 30 minutes, though, so the mods edit/delete posts and issue warnings to other people in the thread who didn't quite merit getting their posts removed. Pretty simple really. |
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NervClaX
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There are only two genders. I don't believe I'm crossing any lines by stating this fact. A Japanese school has a uniform. The uniform consists of two tops and two bottoms. Students may wear any combination of top or bottom.
Japanese school uniforms are seen frequently in anime/manga and are considered a component of Japanese popular culture. I get that. But, if the author is going to assume more than two genders, the author should be prepared to defend his/her assumption, because it ventures outside the realm of science and empirical evidence. You also didn't address why ANN shut down the thread about Recovery of an MMO Junkie. ANN broached the subject, but they clearly didn't want to discuss it in the forums. It was a pearl-clutching article written to jeopardize Kazuyoshi Yaginuma's career in anime. |
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Crisha
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The debate about genders, while related to the topic, is not specifically the topic in question. We are lenient with allowing social issue debates related to the articles for a while but eventually stop them if they don't peter out on their own, because we find they repeat the same arguments and remain tangentially about the topic in question. If you want to debate those topics more in depth, go to a forum or website specific to debating them.
The posts that get edited or deleted are the ones that are rude or have personal insults. When then occurs, we jump in quicker as we're available. And we will shut down debate quicker if we feel it is more heated. Tempest has addressed why the Recovery of an MMO Junkie Thread was shut down. |
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varmintx
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Yes, I'm aware a mod JUST SAID not to discuss the subject here, but I can't really let something objectively false be the last word.
{Edit}: Actually yes you will, especially since I removed the rest of your post. There have been 2 mods who have handed out warnings or edited posts in this thread. The next time you blatantly ignore a moderator warning and try to stir the pot like this you'll be placed on moderation yourself. ~ Psycho 101 |
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