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AksaraKishou



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:53 pm Reply with quote
CrowLia wrote:


>happily
>He has no regrets


Can i get a source on that? Confused
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#881939



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:56 pm Reply with quote
So does MF65 own CP? That is bad. And the Japanese law just fined him and did not put him in jail, which means Japan considers it is not a serious crime. Of course the Japanese law and Japan are much more reliable than MF65.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:10 pm Reply with quote
#881939 wrote:
So does MF65 own CP? That is bad. And the Japanese law just fined him and did not put him in jail, which means Japan considers it is not a serious crime. Of course the Japanese law and Japan are much more reliable than MF65.

Yea, you just completely contradicted yourself there buddy. You do admit that owning CP is bad but then go on to say that it's not serious.Maybe make up your mind? And do stop talking about Japan as if they're a hivemind.
But seeing as you just created that account, your only purpose seem to be trolling. Congrats! You got someone to fall for your bait! Go on and rejoice with your 4chan/reddit/troll-site-of-the-month pals Wink If you're serious, though, then at this point I just feel sorry for you and I can only hope you don't follow in your idol's footsteps.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:19 pm Reply with quote
So according to MF65, bad and serious are the same word. The truth is they are completely different words. He has paid a fine and there is nothing wrong with him continuing his work.
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TsukasaElkKite



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:27 pm Reply with quote
Why wasn’t he run out of town?
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Kokuryu Daimao



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:57 pm Reply with quote
TsukasaElkKite wrote:
Why wasn’t he run out of town?


Short answer: The company has decided that his value as an artist and creator outweighs the level of the crime he was charged with.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:59 pm Reply with quote
I'm not surprised that Kenshin: Hokkaido Arc is returning, but this is entirely too soon. At the same time, though, I'm guessing that Watsuki decided to be shrewd about it & pretty much left Shueisha with an ultimatum: "Let me continue making my manga now, or I'll pack my bags & go to another publisher, instead." Let's face it, Rurouni Kenshin is a giant name, & if Shueisha wasn't going to let Watsuki continue it, you can easily guess that he could easily find another publisher that would, regardless of what his fetishes are.

Still, half a year is way too fast. People have brought up Toriko-creator Mitsutoshi Shimabukuro in this thread, but one can at least argue that he received due punishment & "did his time". His hit manga Seikimatsu Leader-den Takeshi! was immediately put on hiatus (& then summarily canceled), was nearly thrown into jail, and he never published another manga until three years later, and even then it was only to quickly finish up Takeshi! & do a new short series. In fact, the general story is that Shueisha only allowed Shimabukuro back to Shonen Jump to do Toriko because good friend Eiichiro Oda spoke up for him. Considering that the most controversial thing to happen to Shimabukuro since Toriko's debut is that he may have been forced to hastily end his second long-runner, I'd say that he's learned his lesson & has changed for the better.

In a more extreme example, though, we have Ikki Kajiwara, the writer of classics like Ashita no Joe, Tiger Mask, & Star of the Giants. He was already a legendary manga writer until 1983, when he was hit with various scandals, like possessing marijuana, giving cannabis to singer Kenichi Hagiwara, & beating up an editor-in-chief for Monthly Shonen Magazine. Obviously, he was treated as persona non grata after that, and while he did still write some manga until his death in 1987, none of them were notable. In fact, it wouldn't be until the late 90s, a solid decade later, that Japan's population started reassessing Kajiwara's legacy post mortem, & acknowledged him as the legendary (if likely troubled) creator that he's known as today.

As for Watsuki at this point, I can only hope that Shueisha is going to be monitoring him like a hawk, and have instituted a zero-tolerance rule; i.e. if Watsuki messes up just once, then he's out, with no third chance.
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BadNewsBlues



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:22 pm Reply with quote
Codeanime93 wrote:
Well that sad career end was shorter than I thought. Seriously they just said he "reflected on it and deeply regrets it" moving on to more working on his manga now despite being a confirmed pedo. Over here he'd get fired and never work again/serve years in prison or end up like Roman Polanski. Subway scrubbed Jared clean from their company basically after he got caught with the wrong type of porn on his computer.


Actually Fogle's problem was much worse in the fact he tried to solicit sex from a minor.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:42 pm Reply with quote
BadNewsBlues wrote:
Codeanime93 wrote:
Well that sad career end was shorter than I thought. Seriously they just said he "reflected on it and deeply regrets it" moving on to more working on his manga now despite being a confirmed pedo. Over here he'd get fired and never work again/serve years in prison or end up like Roman Polanski. Subway scrubbed Jared clean from their company basically after he got caught with the wrong type of porn on his computer.


Actually Fogle's problem was much worse in the fact he tried to solicit sex from a minor.

Yes I know it was much worse.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:43 pm Reply with quote
kiminobokuwa wrote:
Oh my god, do I have to explain it to you too?? Or are you just nitpicking hecause you have nothing else to say?? Okay, i'll use baby text to explain it to you. This author bought child porn, therefore his money help support the child rapists into harming the child because he was paying them to see child porn. There, makes sense right?? He payed the child rapists to make child porn. It is exactly how it sounds. His monry went into the harming of that child. Plain and simple. And it's not like he was accused of it, he was charged and fined for it and he is therefore guilty..


There are a lot of faults with your comments. First, CP is not necessarily about rape. Even the nudity is considered CP. Second, the distributors pirated those videos which were created decades ago so the money Watsuki paid does not go to the rapists, but to pirates. Watsuki buying those videos does not harm anyone at all. It is still illegal so he paid a fine. Now that he has paid a fine, he should continue his work and earn more money.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:03 pm Reply with quote
Can someone clarify this for me?
After reading this absolute mess of a thread, I remembered that the major reason Watsuki was caught was due to the fact that the Japanese police had a sting operation going to try and apprehend the pirates distributing the Chinese made child porn. (Which apparently has a huge market in Japan.)

We don't know why is sentencing was so light, but perhaps it was because he gave the name of the shop he purchased from or the name of a person who suggested it to him. (I seem to recall his statement mentioning something like this.)

Not trying to rationalize anything, just make sense of what happened in the after math.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:13 pm Reply with quote
Kaori Makimura wrote:
Can someone clarify this for me?
After reading this absolute mess of a thread, I remembered that the major reason Watsuki was caught was due to the fact that the Japanese police had a sting operation going to try and apprehend the pirates distributing the Chinese made child porn. (Which apparently has a huge market in Japan.)

We don't know why is sentencing was so light, but perhaps it was because he gave the name of the shop he purchased from or the name of a person who suggested it to him. (I seem to recall his statement mentioning something like this.)

Not trying to rationalize anything, just make sense of what happened in the after math.


Hi, in the first place, the police arrested the pirates who distributed CP. Then the police obtained "a customer list" which shows who purchased the videos. Watsuki was among them so he was arrested. It seems hundreds of people were arrested. It is not like Watsuki funded the industry.
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BadNewsBlues



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:15 pm Reply with quote
mrsatan wrote:
Seriously people, Mitsutoshi Shimabukuro was arrested for actually having sex with a minor and Shonen Jump took him back. He later created TORIKO and y'all watched/read that and enjoyed it and never said anything.


At least until the manga and anime started their downward spiral.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:27 pm Reply with quote
#881939 wrote:
kiminobokuwa wrote:
Oh my god, do I have to explain it to you too?? Or are you just nitpicking hecause you have nothing else to say?? Okay, i'll use baby text to explain it to you. This author bought child porn, therefore his money help support the child rapists into harming the child because he was paying them to see child porn. There, makes sense right?? He payed the child rapists to make child porn. It is exactly how it sounds. His monry went into the harming of that child. Plain and simple. And it's not like he was accused of it, he was charged and fined for it and he is therefore guilty..


There are a lot of faults with your comments. First, CP is not necessarily about rape. Even the nudity is considered CP. Second, the distributors pirated those videos which were created decades ago so the money Watsuki paid does not go to the rapists, but to pirates. Watsuki buying those videos does not harm anyone at all. It is still illegal so he paid a fine. Now that he has paid a fine, he should continue his work and earn more money.


NO. STOP. Are you kidding me? Stop defending this man and trying to lessen his crimes. What does he have over you to defend him like this?? Are your nostalgia goggles on high?? You're seriously trying to say that Child Porn isn't rape?? The children can't consent to sexual acts you complete utter imbecile. Like, are you seriously saying that child porn isn't rape? Did you actually see the files yourself or something? Who cares it it was just nude children posing even, it's still ILLEGAL!! Stop making it seem like nothing and that the man should be free to do what he wants! He committed a crime!

Also, who the fudge cares if he got it from "pirates"? He still owned it and bought it! He is still responsible for his actions. Ya'll are terrible. I can't believe this fanbase has sunk so low as to defend someone owning child porn. Damn.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:33 pm Reply with quote
While I find the crime absolutely abhorrent, this whole thing has been a very interesting case that puts a spotlight on what actual repentance looks like, the culture clash between western and eastern thought processes on what a criminal owes the people that uphold the law, and the integrity of the characters that he writes.
From here, it's hard to tell if Watsuki is sorry for what he did, or just sorry that he got caught. And because the illegality of owning this material is so new in Japan as opposed to here, the west is ready to throw stones. He owned up to his crimes. As disturbing as his words were to read, he sure didn't sugarcoat it. And if the only way for his addiction oriented behavior to end was to get caught and have a massive spotlight on it, well here we are.

I’ve seen Dateline, and the lies those dudes would try to say to get out of what was clearly predatory behavior were absolutely ridiculous.

”No, this is my first time doing this."
"I was just gonna teach them to be careful online."
"We were just gonna hang out."
Some break down and admit it, then they all enter a plea of ‘not guilty’.

Watsuki just straight up said it. On the record.

“I liked girls from the upper grades of elementary school to around the second year of junior high school.”

As disturbing as that is, at the very least, it was honest.

Folks over there seem to be more open to admitting mistakes than they are here. I can’t admire criminal behavior, but I can admire admitting and owning up to a mistake.
I just read about a Japanese man who didn’t really think through the legal ramifications of 3D printing a functioning firearm. He was arrested and he was just as honest.

“If you’re asking if I had possession of the hand-made guns, then I confess to it.” – Imura
“So, you admit that you were in possession of the hand-made guns.” – Police
“Well, I guess there’s really nothing else I can say.” – Imura
“Fine. We’re done.” – Detective

The crime is awful. Nobuhiro Watsuki’s ownership of this material made him a financial contributor, and from a logistical standpoint since he was a paying customer, made him a producer of what I personally consider to be among the most inhuman and barbaric of crimes; the manipulation and exploitation of a child.

I feel awful for his wife, Kaoru. I cannot imagine what she might be feeling, or for all I know, she always knew and just didn't know what to do about it. Or maybe it was a brutal blindside. We’ll likely never know.

As much as I love Rurouni Kenshin (if the username wasn't a tip-off) I cannot help but wonder perhaps, how much better it could have been had it not been clouded by the hands that authored it. Or maybe this is a newer addiction of his. We may never know how long this has been happening.

Watsuki gave me my favorite character in fiction. Kenshin (Shinta); after realizing his wrongs, becomes a man who puts integrity first, fights for the oppressed, and would always raise his sword against the behavior his creator has exhibited. Watsuki created a model, really. He created a character who conducts himself in the way that Watsuki should.
Would I prefer that it be authored by someone of better principal? Absolutely. 100%. It’s honestly nice to hear that his wife is playing such a big role in creating this new arc. Truly, I hope she knew nothing of her husband’s behavior. Maybe Watsuki writes for Kenshin, because he needs Kenshin. Again, we’ll likely never know. But Kaoru’s contributions to the Hokkaido Arc thus far are showing a new side to the characters that I look forward to seeing play out.

Shueisha’s site attempts to assure us, that he "spends his days reflecting and with remorse."
The sentiment is nice but I haven’t seen anything from Kaoru since this all broke out. Their marriage isn’t really any of my business, but if you want to try to convince me that Nobuhiro is truly remorseful of what he did and not just that he got caught, I’d want to hear from her.
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