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#890173
Joined: 07 Dec 2018
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:39 pm
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Lynx Raven Raide wrote: | And this is when I finally lose it...
This is why we have ratings, isn't it, to let you know it contains, you know, mature content? I mean why the hell do we even have a ratings system if people are going to bitch about stuff, especially stuff they probably wouldn't even watch in the first place. If you don't like something, don't bitch about it, go off and do more of the stuff you are interested in instead and leave it for those who actually like it!
/Endrant
On a serious not, I do kinda agree with the writer here. Gratuitous fanservice for the sake of gratuitous fanservice does get annoying and distracting after a while, like what was the point of Sensei trying to peer up that figure's skirt in Planet With? If it has narrative meaning, go ahead, but if not, at least tone it down |
The moment you give purpose to fanservice (a narrative) it stops being fanservice because it has a function inside the story, this may be an intimate moment between characters or bonding. Fanservice in the other hand has no purpose, it just exists as eye candy. That's why fanservice videogames are mediocre or bad without the boobs, people doesn't go there for narrative or an engaging or fun story, they go there because want to turn off just watching titties. Very similar to the effect of soft porn.
That's what a lot of people over here and in general that don't like fanservice doesn't understand, there's an small niche of people that just wants to watch sexy ladies in bikini armor beat the shit out of each other for no special reason. It is dumb and mind numbing? yes. But is fun, to us.
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#890173
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:51 pm
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BadNewsBlues
wrote: | American standards don't generally mean you can't have zero sexual content in your media products. |
It's no news that the western rating system has a bias agains't asian fanservice material. You sometimes have really gruesome or crude shit on western games, not just violence but also sexual. But anime games often get censored by really trivial reasons, no matter if the characters are all mature women in their 40s with DDD cup boobs. Even if the characters are just wearing non sexy bikini, just because the character proportions are exaggerated it gets flak.
The problem here is that in a lot of this products the only purpose of the game/material per se is the eye candy, if you take that away then the product makes no sense at all, because the selling point is not there anymore. Is a branch of products wich main target audience is a really small niche? Yes, it is, but that doesn't mean the market can't pander to them.
Also a lot of the people complaining about the character desing or attire in these type of games wouldn't even buy them when censored, because the proportions are so exaggerated and everything is so sexualized that they don't like these games as a concept, they don't like the whole idea of a game being made to pander to an small niche who just wants soft porn in a videogame.
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TarutoClown93
Joined: 24 Jun 2010
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:02 pm
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Heishi wrote: | I'd personally just get rid of Katsuragi and leave everything else in tact, but that's me. |
Is anybody interested at the complete rewriting of the character with less fanservice?
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Deadwing
Joined: 18 May 2006
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Location: North Augusta, SC
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:40 pm
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*sigh* I really wish humanity would get over its hangups regarding sex. Religious Moral Guardian types on the right and PC types on the left frequently share the same negative attitudes towards sexual content in entertainment media. As a result, NSFW content keeps getting purged from websites and fanservice-heavy properties get sanitized. Some people just refuse to subscribe to the concept of "If you don't like it, don't watch it."
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Northlander
Joined: 10 Feb 2009
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:23 am
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TarutoClown93 wrote: |
Heishi wrote: | I'd personally just get rid of Katsuragi and leave everything else in tact, but that's me. |
Is anybody interested at the complete rewriting of the character with less fanservice? |
Katsuragi is completely unashamed about her sexuality. That's fine. Great, actually.
She MIIIIGHT be a lesbian or bisexual. That's also not a problem in the slightest.
She's also prone to molest the boobs of whomever she sees whose boobs she likes. That's.... less fine. (Sexual harrassment, actually.) Not because she wants to touch boobs, but that she does it to people who are less excited about the prospect to various degrees.
Granted, Senran Kagura is.... relatively mild on that (though women might disagree with me), and it's probably going to keep it on the slightly safer side by not having her grab someone who really, REALLY don't want her to. At least the show is trying to say "Katsurai, stop being an idiot about this!" The whole "having its cake and eat it too" thing
You don't have to "completely rewrite" her character. That's missing the point by a mile, and a massive overreaction to the problem at hand. (No pun intended.)
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Mr. sickVisionz
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Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:49 am
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rinrinsama wrote: | America is the only country, aside obviously from some regimes, that they "need" to adapt/localizate to their public. |
This is false unless by "regime" you mean "every country with a domestic entertainment industry". Content gets adapted all of the time and censoring isn't rare.
You generally don't hear the word "regime" used for places like Australia or Germany, both places that censor violent content in games. Bollywood adopts properties all the time and does the Bollywood version all the time. This isn't rare or odd at all. It happens a ton. An American sitcom gets licensed but rather than just show subtitled episodes, they completely remake it for whatever locale it's in. Cover songs show up in a million different versions where they change a hell of a lot more than just the language spoken to make it fit the culture.
This isn't anywhere close to as rare as you make it out to. "Some regimes" is quite literally "any country with a domestic entertainment industry". It happens all of the time and is totally the norm.
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BadNewsBlues
Joined: 21 Sep 2014
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:53 pm
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#890173 wrote: |
It's no news that the western rating system has a bias agains't asian fanservice material. |
Mortal Kombat 9 had the most fanservice of any Mortal Kombat game before it which would be toned down for X and we know that wasn't "asian fanservice material".
#890173 wrote: |
Even if the characters are just wearing non sexy bikini, just because the character proportions are exaggerated it gets flak. |
The proportions are less an issue to most people as opposed to the necessity of it. I mean it's one thing when the characters are wearing bikinis or swimsuits on a beach like in the Persona games it's another thing when you have Quiet in MGS walking around in torn nylon stockings, shorts, & a bikini.
"Which she has to do because covering her skin will lead to her suffocating".
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The problem here is that in a lot of this products the only purpose of the game/material per se is the eye candy, if you take that away then the product makes no sense at all, |
I could understand this argument for a eroge style games but for other games this doesn't hold up under much scrutiny. Especially as those games may have traditional gameplay mechanics that don't work all that well and no amount of fanservice will cover that up.
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Yttrbio
Joined: 09 Jun 2011
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:02 pm
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Your explanation for why the argument doesn't hold up under scrutiny is the argument. These are fanservice delivery vehicles, loosely attached to a story and gameplay system. They pay about as much attention to the quality of the gameplay as a game like Gears of War pays attention to the quality of the plot. It's just a matter of priorities.
You seem to think that no one should enjoy fanservice if they're not rubbing one out, but that's not really what fanservice is about. The idea that other people's entertainment choices should be subject to your approval is bizarre.
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Sir Amyas Leigh
Joined: 14 Sep 2009
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:09 pm
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Sad. Its not like the games were very good to begin with. The only thing they have going for them is fan service. I just don't understand why they would care about how westerners feel.
Hopefully there is a pushback from Japanese otaku that hurts their coffers.
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TheAnimeRevolutionizer
Joined: 03 Nov 2017
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:17 pm
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Yttrbio wrote: | Your explanation for why the argument doesn't hold up under scrutiny is the argument.
You seem to think that no one should enjoy fanservice if they're not rubbing one out, but that's not really what fanservice is about. The idea that other people's entertainment choices should be subject to your approval is bizarre. |
Thank you Yttrbio.
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Ryuseii Daiyusha
Joined: 13 Dec 2018
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:28 pm
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Tits are life, Ass is hometown.-Kenichiro Takaki, Creator of Senran Kagura
When the fun dies, Senran Kagura dies.
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