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There are rules to Minovsky particles. Not a lot of rules and they don't have much to do with real physics, but there ARE rules. Such as how they jam radio waves (somehow) and they can be condensed into mega particles, which are what those fabulous beams are made out of. Minovsky particles can generate an i-field (somehow) which can be shaped into things (somehow). |
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Some posters seem to be assuming that the term "Real Robot" anime means anime that is "hard" science fiction. It does not. "Real Robot" is a relative term that means it is a realistic setting with giant robots used like military tanks or starfighters. It's realistic compared to Mazinger Z, Voltron and any "Super Robot" anime with super robots made of Super Alloy where only the Only True Hero(s) calls out attacks and fights aliens. For "Real Robot" think X-Wings and Tie Fighters.
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If it wasn't UC Gundam but AU, you'd be calling it crap I bet. But because it's UC, Pavlovian bias kicks in and makes your criticisms milder. |
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Yeah, but there is certainly a difference in fortune on Toonami for the two franchises in modern times. Dragon Ball Super recently got a weeknight run on Adult Swim. Meanwhile, Gundam Unicorn got buried at 2 AM halfway through its one and only run on the network, and Gundam IBO Season 2 got a 3 AM rerun late last year, but it was soon jettisoned to 4:30 AM and then pulled. As for the movie, I enjoyed it for what it was. Something toward the end kinda rubbed me wrong, so I won't say it was perfect, but it was a great continuation for this Unicorn fan. I'd go back and watch the earlier series but their animation looks so dated. Need to check out Origin though, and still hoping it's Toonami on Adult Swim's 3rd Gundam anime later this year! |
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Season 2 of IBO is a letdown and a disappointment anyway that probably deserves a 3AM slot on Toonami in my opinion. I did like Unicorn well enough. IBO's last season was not very good, hated it worse than Seed Destiny and ZZ Gundam. Origin is pretty good, if not quite faithful to the original show. |
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NOT the way I've seen them used. And they're nothing like the photon energy Mazinger uses. Minosky particles have been used since the original Gundam TV series to LIMIT combat to visual distance (although they still snipe with scopes) because the Minovsky particles screw up radar transmissions and just scramble most long-range sensors. They're also used to FIND mobile suits because they're associated as a byproduct of the nuclear reactors mobile suits use. They may screw up radar and other microwave equipment but M-particles register obviously on sensors designed to detect Minovsky particles. They're hardly a MacGuffin. They're a way of keeping the mobile suits in UC Gundam from becoming TOO powerful although in light of what we see in Gundam Unicorn the later generation Gundams with psychoframes are becoming about as powerful as the alternate reality Gundams but Minovsky particles DO NOT make those particular mobile suits as powerful as they are -- it's the psychoframe and the way it reacts to the mental abilities of Newtypes. Remember that in the 08th MS Team the hover tank has special audio amplification equipment to detect enemy armor movements. It's actually probably partly audio amplification coupled with seismic (earthquake detecting) equipment. That was how they got around the Minovsky scrambling effect in ground combat situations. Minovksy particles arelike the weaknesses used in comics to impose limits on characters that would otherwise seem "all-powerful" -- ie, magic and kryptonite for Superman, the limit of the imagination and the color yellow for Green Lantern for many years. Minovksy particles keep the combat in Gundam (with the exception of visual magnification like sniper scopes) to close quarters otherwise the MS suits would be firing weapons at beyond-visual range all the time. |
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EDIT: Unfortunately, for a variety of reasons, Gundam's momentum was limited in the US by the corporate decisions over what order to release and localize the series entries. Wing, G, X, 08th MS Team, 0083, and 0080 should have gotten top priority given the time frame when Gundam first hit Toonami. Instead, Wing was followed up with 0079 on weekday TV, whereas 08th MS Team was relegated to late-night for a long time. 0080, likewise, was late-night (exclusively), and 0083 was moved to Adult Swim late-night with Cowboy Bebop and the like. By the time G came around weekdays, damage was already done, and any good will that generated was affected by SD Gundam (a chibi-style kids series) being released next on weekday TV. SEED was eventually put forward, but by that point Toonami was in the decline and only on once a week. Ideally, Wing, G, X, and 08th MS Team should have been released via Toonami, and probably in that order. (G and X could be flipped, depending on what approach you want to take. X has more UC elements and feels like a combo of Wing and G sometimes, and G appeals to the DBZ's fans, but conversely, no series LOOKS more like Wing than X, and X also has pilots who do some crazy stunts.) As for 08th MS Team last...it looks the most like an AU series, even though its UC, and it takes place during the One Year War that sets up all the other UC OVAs and TV series. In modern times, even though it's old now, the only series really tailored to capture a new audience fully has been, in my opinion, Gundam 00 from 2007-2009. But that went to SciFi/SyFy Channel in its own time. Still, I'm not sure how exposed people were to it, so it might still be a good idea to bring it back on TV. I personally thought its second season really missed the mark, but there's enough there to find an audience, probably. I'm just not sure any AU since has been as inviting (even though IBO seemed like it was trying for that), and UC entries almost always have bigger barriers of entry. I mean, sadly, I wonder if The Origin is going to be a bit too slow and political for modern audiences, but maybe I'm mistaken. [END OF EDIT] The Origin is really good. A little uneven, and a few ret-con liberties are taken that don't quite match up with some later story threads, but it's really enjoyable. And the way it sets things up, I think you'll be tempted to at least try the original 0079. The last remastering they did of that series from 1979 makes it look better than previously, and while it's certainly old, the directorial work on it and its story still hold up today. (Its cast of villains and their interactions are especially interesting.) And this is coming from someone who traditionally has not been a super-fan of UC or the older Gundam TV shows. I still haven't fully come around to Zeta, ZZ, or V yet, but the only one I've really seen a lot of of those is Zeta, which is generally a fan favorite. (I can see how influential it was, but I haven't been able to get into it so far the way I did 0079.) Yeah, Origin is supposed to get a broken-up TV version sometime this year in Japan. I wouldn't be surprised if it finds its way to Toonami sometime by mid-2020. But maybe sooner? I personally didn't love Unicorn. The animation was great, and some of the scenarios were interesting, but I didn't like enough of the characters and it seemed to move in a truncated fashion too often somehow. Plus, it was a little too referential to earlier entries for my tastes...spoiler[It's not exactly thrilling to have a literal Char clone with such import when so many series have done different and interesting takes on a Char-like character.] Iron-Blooded Orphans, likewise, wasn't without its good points, both Season 1 and 2, but as a whole, I found it really lackluster. It might be one of the more underwhelming/forgettable Gundam series I've seen. From the 23-minute preview I've seen of Gundam NT, it looks like it'll be an enjoyable ride, even if a little superfluous. For someone just getting into Gundam today, though, the older UC OVAs--08th MS Team (takes place at the same time but in a different place than the original series post-episode 10), 0080: War in the Pocket, and 0083: Stardust Memories, are still amazing feats of animation today. The recent Gundam Thunderbolt series is also rather impressive, but not as balanced as those previous OVA series. I'm actually a little surprised Thunderbolt hasn't found its way to Toonami...but it's a little too gritty and over-the-top perhaps. The older UC movies of Char's Counterattack and F-91 are decent as well. Off the top of my head, F-91's got a little higher level of animation, I'd say. When it comes to Alternate Universe stories outside of UC, I go with Wing, G, X as my top tier, then SEED, SEED Destiny, 00 as the second tier. I'm currently slowly working my way through Turn-A Gundam...which sits between the idea of a UC and AU entry, and it's very well done but is hard for me to rank right now. Last edited by LightningCount on Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:47 pm; edited 3 times in total |
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So basically newtypes pretty much ruin the immersion of realism whenever their abilities are used? |
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Unicorn probably feels truncated due to it being chopped to pieces for a TV series. Which will probably be the feeling watching Origin as a TV series. IBO was one of the worst Gundam shows I've ever seen besides maybe ZZ Gundam, very disappointing how it all turned out towards the end. Thunderbolt Sky was pretty good, haven't seen the other half yet. I keep talking about IBO it seems, that show's still very fresh in my mind I guess even though it was like 3 years ago. The sting of the disappointment still resides I guess. |
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Yes you do, but no you're not wrong in your criticisms. Season 2 was hot bullshit. |
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Half? Where did you get that number? The only entries in that list that used Newtype to such great feat are only MSG & X. But that's beside the point. Those shows I listed are still the most grounded "humanoid giant robot"-shows out there. I mean, even the ultra-realistic Patlabor has giant monsters in the anime? Don't believe me? Watch the TV episode where the 2nd Division was pursuing a monster that escaped from a lab or another episode where they encounter a giant earth dragon. And no, I did not make that up.
IBO Season 2 is great. It fulfilled all the things that Season 1 setup and it didn't pull its punches when it comes to delivering tragic ending like any other mafia movies that the show clearly took inspiration from. Orga making bad decisions one after another is a very natural result from Biscuit's demise in Season 1 (glad that the writer didn't forget that) which made Orga lost his "voice of reason". McGillis was a smart guy but obviously psychologically broken and blinded by idealism (muh Bael!) which become his undoing. Mika fulfilled his role to the very end: doing what Orga told him and protect his friends the best he can while also managed to leave behind his legacy in a form of a child who can live better than he could ever be. Not bad for for a character with mental impairment like him. And many other nice things. The politics is also poignantly realistic. I mean, Rustal winning the final battle is only natural. Making him losing due to Deus Ex Machina will leave so much more bad taste for the show. |
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Was a rough estimation as I haven't seen (nor read) all the various Gundam sequels, spinoffs, etc that feature newtypes.
Yeah no it's not.
Like McGillis turning on Tekkaden? McGillis reforming Gjallarhorn Orga accomplishing all his goals for Tekkaden? Orga and Merribitt getting together Or Akihiro & Lafter getting together? Mikazuki having kids with Kudelia & Atra? Hell I don't even know if season 2 even got around to ever explaining the context of the scene with Orga and Mikazuki and the dead guy in the alley and that scene showed up repeatedly in season 1 and as i recall season 2.
The first 1 & 2nd Godfather movies have no tragic endings only the third did, and that's considered non canon not only by fans but even the books. And if that was the thought process behind a lot of the tragedy in season 2 it seems kind of dumb when season 1 was rife with tragedy and when some of those tragic moments in season 2 happened as a result of legitimately bad writing that didn't have much within the way of payoff. One such example is Jaisley having Lafter killed (after selling out Naze) served no purpose other than messing with Akihiro who already had to deal with his brother getting killed in season 1 and forcing Tekkaden into conflict with him (which also involved them breaking from Teiwaz) which didn't require either of those two actions.
Biscuit's death in and of itself also served no purpose other than to make Orga feel guilty following their fallout which was due to Biscuit questioning Tekkaden's mission in light of his brother's suicide.......the same brother who tried to sell out Biscuit to Gjallarhorn a move that would've potentially led to Biscuit's and Atra's deaths.
Smart guys don't sell out their friends who he could potentially use as allies to his cause......and after revealing to one of them some of the bad stuff he did in the name of this cause. Seriously injures them instead of killing them allowing them to ruin his plans years down the road.
The circumstances under which Rustal put down the McGillis' power play wasn't natural since a good part of it relied on convenient circumstances and bad writing (see the above regarding McGillis and Gaelio).
Lol Tekkaden got screwed by multiple Diablous Ex Machina's which was decidedly worse as it undid everything that was built up by the end of season 1. Like if you like your stories to end with the bad guys dominating the good guys that's fine but that did not make for a good way to finish up Iron Blooded Orphans and good part of the fanbase is well justified in being upset about it. |
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Well, your rough estimation based on my list of Gundam shows is wrong. Simple as that.
Yes it is.
1. What show did you watch? McGillis never turned on Tekkadan until his final breath. His plan is simply not that good. In fact, Tekkadan is the one faction that he is most loyal to beside himself. Didn’t you see how McGillis delayed Arianrhod’s advance by fighting alone in Bael to give Tekkadan time to run? It’s too bad that he was bested by Gaelio in his Vidar. 2. It’s doomed to fail when it’s revealed that McGillis is too psychologically-broken to realize that he rely too much on an ancient rule of “whoever pilot Bael gets to lead Gjallarhorn”. It was a stupid plan by a delusional man and the show is well aware of that. 3. It’s quite an obvious foreshadowing that after the death of Biscuit, Tekkadan is doomed to fail when there’s no one to reign in Orga’s reckless decisions. Watch the S2 again. You can see that Orga kept making bad decision after another. All the shitstorm wouldn’t need to happen if: 1) Orga didn’t insist to make a branch on Earth with inadequate branch manager 2) if Orga would just settle with managing the half-metal mine instead of having a coalition with McGillis. 4. Shipping bias at its best. Merribit has more maternal chemistry with Orga more than a lover. Orga is simply not mentally-grown up enough for Merribit as a love interest. That’s the (harsh) truth no matter how much shipping fans are pouring for OrgaxMerribit. 5. Another shipping bias. Do you know how many couples & lovers are killed in the entire Gundam franchise? F-Tons. If anything, the show actually fulfilled Lafter’s long-overdue death flag which she should’ve gotten at the end of S1 when Ein screwed her cockpit. 6. Eh, Mika having a child with Atra is already such a great deal for someone like him (Atra wanted it too). Demanding more is simply too much. You want Kudelia to have his child too? What for? It doesn't really add to the story when Atra's child is already more than enough to serve such purpose. Kudelia's character doesn't want to have a child (at least not during such young age) and you want to force a child onto her just to fulfill your own expectation? That's messed up.
That’s because the context is not the point. The point of that scene is Orga’s interaction with Mika and the starting of their “pact”.
I was actually referring to gangster movies like Scarface and its tragic ilk. But there’s also some allusions to Godfather when it comes to the Teiwaz stuffs, especially the McM Barriston character. Also, in season 2, the tragic ending is the payoff. Some people just refuse to acknowledge it and dismiss the entire thing as “bad writing”. I mean, gee, it’s hardly anything new. The Greek has told the tale of tragical heroes literally ages ago. Have you ever heard of Herakles/Hercules? Yeah, his story didn’t end up well either. Same with Achilles & Oedipus.
Not surprisingly, you totally missed the point of that death. Pay more attention to the show. Jasley killed Lafter to rile up Tekkadan so that they break up from Teiwaz in order to wage open war with Jasley’s Teiwaz faction because Tekkadan didn't have solid evidence that lead up to Jasley, only accusation. It’s a mafia rule, and Orga did exactly what Jasley wanted. The only thing that Jasley miscalculated is the true strength of Tekkadan and how unreliable Iok was in providing back up.
And? That doesn’t change that Biscuit’s death is a proper setup as the beginning of Orga’s downward spiral when it comes to making decisions in S2.
Stop cutting down my complete sentences into phrase that you deliberately put out of context. Here is my full comment: “McGillis was a smart guy but obviously psychologically broken and blinded by idealism (muh Bael!) which become his undoing” So, there you have it. I already provided the reason why McGillis F-ed up in the story without the need of your reply. Also, McGillis not ensuring Gaelio's death in S1 because, deep down, McG doesn't want to kill his best-est friend was painted as a major mistake & blunder in S2. McG's sentiment & humanity to (unconsciously) spare his buddy's life actually bit him in the ass & ruined his own plan. It's still a good writing.
Again, pay attention to the show. Rustal was fully prepared to face McGillis' rebellion coz Vidar/Gaelio has been feeding some intel to him. Rustal himself was quite a smart and logical person. Smart enough to exploit McGillis’ tactical blunders (only relying on Bael).
The Dainsleifs were already introduced during the siege & fall of Naze’s faction. It doesn’t come out of nowhere. You can’t claim something being a DEM when it was already introduced multiple episodes prior to the ending. So, agree to disagree. I think the ending is great because it delivers what S1 has built up. It built up to the fall of Orga & McGillis as well as the rising of Kudelia, Mars' growing independence & and the abolishing of the slavery system and the child soldiers. Mikazuki gets to do what he does best for a battle-hardened mentally-impaired paraplegic MC (fighting to the very end, the only thing that he knew best) and the more sensible characters from Gjallarhorn higher-ups (Gaelio & Julieta) survived and grew to understand more about the people to hopefully pave the way to a better Gjallarhorn & governments. |
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if it's based on your list of Gundam shows (i.e. your opinion) I don't know how simple as that.
Mmmmm-hmmmmm so the multitude of divisive opinions on the whole of the 2nd season (the majority of which trends in the negative) is something that most certainly can't be disputed simply just because you liked it?
What part my statement did you not read I never said he did I was eluding to the way the story was headed it looked like he would eventually turn on them. And given McGillis willingness to turn on allies for his own personal gain that wouldn't have been out of the ordinary.
So loyal to them that in the first season he gave Carta information as to what route they were traveling with the Prime Minister information that she otherwise would've never gotten given only Tekkaden and McGillis himself would've known this information the former would obviously have had no reason to give up this information as it would make their work difficult, the latter would if it meant taking an obstacle out of his way (which is how Carta's death was orchestrated). Or how he tconvinced Galileo into having Ein get his upgrade near the end of season 1.....the same upgrade that almost got Kudelia, Atra, Shino, Azee, & Lafter killed and forced Mikazuki to cripple himself in order to stop him? Or how he casually employed Todo.....the same guy that tried to sell the group out to Gjallarhorn in season 1. That's loyalty!?
Nope I kinda trailed off in the aftermath of the battle with Hashmal and pretty much dropped the series after the BS with Iok and Jaisley. Plus that was likely guilt more than anything such as loyalty since a lot of what happened by that point was because of his poor judgement and inability to outfox Rustal.
It's too bad that would've likely not happened had he made sure to kill Galieo in season 1.
Poor writing for the sake of drama.
And yet most of the stuff that comes back to bite Tekkaden isn't because of Orga's recklessness. The failure of their earth branch wasn't because of Orga's recklessness. The awakening of Hashmal wasn't because of Orga's recklessness. Galieo outing McGillis wasn't because of Orga's recklessness. Even Orga's own death wasn't because of recklessness. All of that was because of someone else's stupidity or because of plain BS.
Earth Branch largely failed due to Rustal's plans (that only McGillis could see through) though by the time he did it was too late to mitigate the damage that Galan and Radice did.
Tekkaden is a mercenary group though meaning not all their wealth comes from mining things on Mars plus given Tekkaden was a small group with few connections allying themselves with McGillis (just like Teiwaz) had benefit.
Merribit and Orga is less shipping bias and more the fact that that's pretty much what the writing was getting at before they randomly decided not to commit to that. It's also a harsh truth that there were barely any scenes between Merribit and Nadi and yet they became a couple for no reason.
Do you know that I don't care and that in no way justifies tired writing cliches?
And yet Azee who was also involved in that same battle survived?........hmmmm
Setting up or hinting at something multiple times and then casually deciding not to do it is lazy writing it has nothing to do with wanting "too" much.
You can make the exact same argument about Atra especially given that the writers initially went with the idea of Mikazuki and Kudelia starting a relationship (then weirdly kinda ignored it) then in season 2 just randomly had Mikazuki knock Atra up towards the end of season 2....seemingly because they had no time to do what they initially hinted at doing with both Kudelia and Atra all the way back in Season 1.
What in the bloody blue hell are you talking about? This has nothing to do with my point.
Okay don't present a scene in a story if it's supposed to have context but then you never explain it as that renders it pointless.
Because that's what most of it was.
Even those were hard to take seriously considering the logic (or lack thereof) those myths worked on. Even Shakespeare who was good for writing tragedy's get's crapped on for how needlessly depressing his stories got. Even then doesn't justify IBO's writing.
I understood what purpose the death was for.....on the surface, in the grand scheme of things though it still was pointless and unnecessary. And served little more than to be another example of women in refrigerators.
Which is laughable given that Jaisley would've (or should've) known Tekkaden at this point had gotten into separate scraps with Gjallarhorn and various other mercenary groups and came out mostly on top. And only further illustrates that the writers didn't really know what they were doing when they set this up. Since it's makes Iok's repeated attempts to directly destroy Hashmal (with weapons that don't work on) it look intelligent by comparison.
And? that doesn't change the fact it was another example of poor writing for the sake of drama.
You of all people shouldn't complain about anyone taking your opinions out of context after the that cold take you came up with to 7 quotes ago. And what exactly have I put out of context.....or you just ignoring what I wrote and passing it off as out of context?
Okay two things 1. You didn't write that in your original comment that I quoted 2. Doesn't change the fact that McGillis did patently stupid stuff in season 1 and season 2 that came back to bite him in the ass and hastened his (and by extension) Tekkaden's downfall. If you still want to justify a "deep intelligent" writing go ahead still doesn't change the fact it was dumb.
Revealing crucial information (that you didn't need to reveal in the first place) to a guy you're about to kill who you had to kill because you casually revealed you identity to him as well (which you also did not have to do) , whom you then attack and think you've killed (without checking for a body) who then shows up alive and well years later and then subsequently reveals some of the "traitorous" actions you took, sullying your reputation and credibility in the public eye in the process. Sounds way more better than the faux "deep" symbolism you're going for.....even if it's poor logic. Not to mention McGillis having that realization that late is pretty dumb given that it had already been established (as I already mentioned) that McGillis was a man who was willing to kill or sell out family, friends, or allies if he stood to personally benefit from it. Him having that realization after he already screwed his father, Carta (who loved him) neither of which he showed much remorse for (and shouldn't have in the case of his father) was just absurd.
Yeah okay tell to anyone else who clearly sees it's for the BS it is and see if they don't laugh in your face. Iron Blooded Orphans had many things consistently good writing or logical character motivations was not among those things.
Again stop with the "if has really good meaning if you pay better attention" to defense. And just come to grips with the fact that not every agrees with your assessment of the writing in Iron Blooded Orphans. You can come up with any inane argument you could think of and this fact will not change the fact that the writers did some stupid stuff with the writing and the characters over the course of 50 episodes.....which was not enough to do everything they wanted to do anyway.
All the while using Galan Mossa to disrupt Tekkaden's earth operations while letting Iok (who revealed himself to be utterly incompetent twice) work under him.
Which happened in the middle of season 2? And conveniently enough is something that Gjallarhorn has a substantial supply of? Also wasn't talking about the Dainsleif's specifically. Everything from Galan Mossa's plans, to Iok & Jaisely's team up, Tekkaden leaving Teiwaz,Gaelio revealing McGillis's duplicity, to Shino missing his chance to kill Rustal, Gordon killing Orga. All that was just done to undermine any hope of Tekkaden even so much as earning a Pyrrhic victory.
You also can't whine about the idea of Tekkaden getting a good ending by way of Deus Ex Machina while laughably ignoring "all" of the other Diabolous Ex Machina's that came into play to ensure that Rustal would win in the end while also suffering virtually no drawbacks in the process..
Yeah now what show were you watching?
Mikazuki isn't mentally impaired he's emotionally and socially stunted he also only became a paraplegic towards the end of season 2 as opposed to being one at the start.
All the while Rustal the guy who made this possible gets treated as a hero despite being anything but. |
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It is very simple. Here, let me break it down for you since you can’t seem to comprehend it: I mentioned the below shows as a group of Gundam entries with the most realistic take: MSG 08th MS Team Gundam 0080 Gundam 0083 Gundam: The Origin Gundam Thunderbolt Gundam X Iron-Blooded Orphans You then replied (which you don’t have to, but you did anyway) saying "Don't at least half of those series feature newtypes who throw that alleged realism out of the window?" which is fallacy since only two shows from those list used Newtype powers in a larger-than-life manner.
Nah, I just mimicked your previous dismissive comment but using the opposite opinion. It proves that anyone can do what you did and it will be meaningless if not provided by good arguments.
Logic dictates that turning on Tekkadan after making a direct pact with them doesn't align with McG’s plan. Especially when he saw a bit of Agnika in Mikazuki. And we both know how much McG worshipped Agnika. And we saw how hard McG tried to get Mika under his wing.
My comment was referring at IBO S2. That’s when McG & Tekkadan officially sealed their alliance. In S1, they were still enemies that barely knew each other. During the first half of S1, McG was still trying to eliminate Tekkadan by using Todo & whatnot. Then, during the second half of S1, McG tried to test Tekkadan and took a gamble with them using his Montag disguise and company. After Tekkadan proved themselves able to stand at the top at the end of S1, that’s when McG started to admire them. You see, there’s this thing called “progress” & “development” in stories and the above is a good example of it.
Now that is a big one: You dropped IBO S2 after the conflict with Jasley and didn’t experience the whole show? If so, you have no solid background to argue with me. You dropped halfway through and now you’re arguing about the ending of the show you didn’t watch *facepalm*.
If you actually watched McG’s final act in S2 then you should know that he himself acknowledged that error as one of his weaknesses. McG couldn’t follow through in killing Gaelio because he was the best friend he ever have. Even when McG got the upper hand, he would let Gaelio go (during the Vidar vs. Bael + Barbatos Rex which you didn’t watch because it happened after Jasley, according to you) due to his soft spot.
Whatever floats your boat, Bud. Keep repeating that mantra and it will probably turn out good for your health.
1. Making Tekkadan Earth Branch with no good BM is a bad idea. Especially when Arbrau’s forces already dislike you as has been displayed by the scuffle between Aston and the homebased military personnels. 2. Yeah, that one was pure bad luck. 3. No, but Orga agreeing to partake with McG’s open rebellion to Gjallarhorn without first hearing McG’s complete plan is what dragged Tekkadan into the whole mess. Especially when McGillis have no backup plan to deal with Rustal’s Arianrod and their mighty Dainsleifs in case of Bael failed to unify Gjallarhorn under his rule (which it did). 4. Tekkadan was already failing and on its way down even before Orga’s death. The only hope that Tekkadan had at the time is to smuggle its personnel so that they can live. Tekkadan already has no future after losing the Coup d’etat battle (which you didn’t watch properly based on your previous comment).
It failed because of insufficient leadership. Chad is no leader material and he lacks intelligence & charisma to lead people like Radice who already hated human debris before Galan put his plan into motion. Remember the time when Chad dismissed Radice’s logistical complaints by merely saying “believe in Orga, our boss” instead of coming up with better solution? Yeah, Biscuit would’ve done a better job in Chad’s position but too bad he died. Heck, even Eugene would’ve done a better job than Chad since he was the ex-leader of CGS kid-group before Orga. And the team that Eugene lead actually saved Orga’s group during the battle of Edmonton. Leader material like Eugene right under his nose yet Orga chose Chad instead. That’s a bad decision through and through and another one that foreshadows Tekkadan’s downfall.
Isn’t that kinda backwards thinking? Tekkadan has the ability to change & adapt if Orga wanted it to. I mean, look at them changing and evolving from the motley-crewed CGS division into one of the Teiwaz subsidiary that even has a branch on Earth. Don’t forget that Orga & the rest of Tekkadan members became mercenaries because they wanted to get riches & live prosperous lives. When they found the half-metal-rich soil in their territory, they literally struck gold right there. Good living was ensured. All they had to do from then on was to handle, maintain and protect their mine properly from outside forces while keep having good relationship with the head of Teiwaz. Basically stay on Mars on their own turf and only go outside when Teiwaz called for suppression assistance. They can relegate their mercenary business on the secondary spot and avoid unnecessary conflicts (and forget about the Earth branch). All the money from the mine will certainly keep Teiwaz happy. So yeah, if Orga was smart and keep a level-headed thinking, all Tekkadan members could’ve lived a happy life. Instead his mind is too preoccupied by the thought of chasing something ambiguous like becoming “King of Mars” even though he didn’t know what that means exactly. Moral: unclear goals will lead you nowhere good or great.
There are people already calling that “shipping” being too unbalanced considering the difference in age & maturity as soon as Merribit was introduced during S1's airing. But of course, many people just don’t care and want them to be together no matter what (fortunately, the writer didn’t fall victim to some audiences' rather-desperate expectation). And don’t forget that that S1 ended Merribit’s screen-time by making her being terribly appalled at Orga’s decision to sacrifice some Tekkadan kids while Nadi was the one who tried to console her. Also, the Nadi & Merri’s official relationship was treated and revealed as a surprise in the show with Chad being the audience surrogate when he found that out. Having a “surprise relationship” involving side characters who don’t even get that much screentime is fair and square.
Yeah sure, it’s cliché to have actual characters dying during mafia conflicts. Especially characters who are actually directly affiliated with the said mafia organization in the first place. Sure, buddy. Suuuuuuureeeee......... 
Azee’s mech was only “decapitated” by Ein’s graze while the cockpit itself was pretty much fine. It was Lafter who cheated death by surviving even though Graze Ein kicked the shit out of her cockpit with its massive drill-foot.
The show set Merribit as a maternal figure to Orga and the same show delivers on that promise. That’s not lazy writing. Yet some people just wanted them to have a romantic relationship no matter what. If the show succumbed to that kind of crowd-pleasing tendency and have them married and live happily regardless of their psychological disparity then that will truly be lazy writing. Other Gundam couples like ShiroxAina, BanagherxMineva, NazexAmida, CharxLalah and even ex-couples like CharxHaman clicked because they have the same level of maturity and they understand each other. How can you expect OrgaxMerri to work when Orga doesn’t understand Merribit one bit? (pun not intended). It’s always Merribit who was forced to understand Orga (like a mother do).
Look at the bigger narrative picture. It’s always Atra who was head-over-heels for Mikazuki since the very beginning. It’s always Atra who wanted to make a real family (with children) with Mika. That wa Atra’s life-goal. Meanwhile, Kudelia’s personal life-goal is more about giving prosperity to the people of Chryse, especially the children. Having a romantic relationship with Mikazuki was never her life-goals. Mika was her crush and that’s about it. At the end of the day, Kudelia was more interested in protecting Atra & Mika’s family and others like them after the war than to be Mika’s bride as she psychologically grew up in Season 2 to get over her crush and focus more on her role as a businesswoman & politician. Note: a “hint” does not equal a “conclusion”. Just because character A is hinted to be romantically interested to character B earlier in the story, doesn’t mean the story have to make them be together later on.
It is if you still insist that Kudelia should also carry Mika’s child just for the heck of it despite Kudelia's character development & arc.
It’s supposed to portray the relationship between Mika & Orga in the harsh & violent neighborhood of Chryse. It succeeded on that point.
Says someone who dropped the show and overall didn’t follow the story properly.
RedLetterMedia’s jaded voice activated: “Look, Ma. This man even trashes Shakespeare. Don’t you see how awesome he is?! I wanted to be just like him when I grow up!”
Gee, it’s almost like you forbid mafia stories to kill one of their most lovable protagonists in an assassination to get the strongest reaction from the audience and depicting the ruthlessness of the antagonist at the same time. Wow, you might as well just erase the great Sean Connery’s death in The Untouchables and many good deaths of its ilk from the history of film industry. Don’t you realize how absurd your complaint is?
Once again you cut my sentence, made it incomplete and tried to change the context. What you just cut out is my second point about Jasley’s miscalculation which is the bigger misfortune for him: the fact that Iok failed to provide him back-up even though he already made the deal. You see, Jasley already seen’s how Iok’s fleet decimated Naze’s fleet with Dainsleifs where even Tekkadan (Barbatos, Gusion & grunts) couldn’t stop Naze & Amida’s deaths (and many others). If Jasley’s plan went smoothly and Iok came with his full-force Dainsleifs, you can bet your ass that Tekkadan would be turned to space debris (the actual ones, not the slave ones) by the Dainsleifs too. Conclusion: Jasley’s plan was a good one. It’s too bad that McG managed to stop Iok’s fleet from providing back up to Jasley.
And? People die in wars. Characters die in wars, especially characters who participate directly like Biscuit. There’s nothing inherently bad about that. What’s wrong with drama? Drama has to be set up when you want to do a proper conflict in a story. When you keep repeating the same “poor writing” excuses instead of providing a more valid argument points, you already lost the case. No matter how many times you say something is bad, you won’t convince the opposing side or the audience if you have no strong arguments.
Look above. There’s another example where you just cut my sentences in convenient places to suit your argument.
1. Yes I did 2. You do know that some intelligent people sometimes stumble when it comes to common sense and moral, right? Especially those who have deep psychological scars that can’t be healed. McG is no exception. In MCG’s case, he idolized Agnika too much that he becomes delusional when it comes to him or Bael. As for the things with Gaelio, I already elaborated above. In other cases, McG just lack resources to fight back, especially against Arianrhod.
Already elaborated above.
Considering all the Gundam fans who clicked “like” in the episodes in question posted on the official YT channel, I won’t have a hard time sharing my take with the general fans. In fact, I have already shared some of it in various forums and it pretty much received a warm welcome.
Oh, did I hit a nerve there? You certainly didn’t pay attention and missing many things in the show. But you just brush that laziness off and say that everything you disagree with is “bad writing”.
Iok is an obligation to Rustal. And Rustal received additional Kujan forces when he kept Iok around. The same forces that helped him won the final battle in the show. Also, Iok's dad was supposedly such a swell guy that many people owed to (maybe even Rustal).
Why not? We barely scraped the surface of Gjallarhorn’s real power and resources in S1 because Tekkadan only ever deal with small factions of Gjallarhorn in combat. I remember some people complaining about how weak Gjallarhorn seem to look in S1. The one time when Tekkadan was about to be obliterated by Arianrhod in Dort area, they backed off because they didn’t want people to see them murdering Kudelia and her guard forces on TV (or live-streaming, I don’t know what medium the reporters aboard the Isaribi were using). After that, it's left to Carta's forces & McG dad's forces. Now that S2 actually expanded on it by revealing how strong the Arianrhod really is and their ultimate weapon called Dainsleif, you actually call it a DEM? There’s just no pleasing you guys.
Most of those misfortunes were triggered by Orga’s decision to enter the conflict between McG & Arianrhod. If tekkadan has no affiliation with McG, Galan would’ve left Earth-Tekka alone. If Jasley didn’t see Iok Fleet’s mighty weapons, he wouldn’t dare to make such a bold move to stab Tekkadan in the back to force them out from Teiwaz to fight his faction to avenge Lafter. etc etc. You can look for others yourself.
Rustal has all the resources at his disposal to win during the final battle. So, his win is more natural for the story progression. If you insist that Tekkadan should win over Arianrhod after McG’s Bael blunder, how do you believably do that using all the information & lore that the show has provided at that point? Some good suggestion would be nice.
IBO. You?
Oh, he’s definitely on the spectrum if his action & responses is to be considered. I mean, other child soldiers & space debris in the show can respond in a more humane way than Mika even though some of them have gone through such sad and terrible lives before joining Tekkadan (even Builth which was more unfortunate compared to Mika). As for the paraplegic stuff, yes, it happened in Season 2 which is a refreshing turn of events seeing an MC actually lost his limbs in the middle of a story after so many high-risk armed conflicts (along with Gundam Thunderbolt). That’s a more accurate portrayal of a result of more hands-on MS battles with pilots inside. I want more of that in my war anime  .
One of the points of the ending is portraying how unfair things can play out in the world. Rustal getting it good despite all the atrocities that he had done is part of that point. If Rustal gets his just desserts then IBO’s ending wouldn’t be so talked about like it is now. On top of all that, Nagai (the director and the originator of IBO's story) already said that he designed/made/wrote/planned the story of IBO with Tekkadan's (and some its allies) downfall at the end. It's also said that his original ending was even grimmer with less surviving Tekkadan members, but Mari Okada actually interfered a little to soften the blow (even during the ending of S1). So, Tekkadan's downfall has always been in the active conversation of the people making the show. It's not a sudden decision |
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