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Cardcaptor Takato
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See, this is why the timeslot argument just doesn't hold up. When deciding what shows are good for little children to watch, one should look at the content of the show itself rather than the timeslot it originally aired in. If they aired a horror movie during in the same timeslot as TMNT, would that suddenly make it a kids' movie? |
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enurtsol
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Cynically, ya could look at it that the TV version is censored so they can better sell the uncensored Blu-ray version. 
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Heishi
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Haven't seen this one yet.
Plan on doing it soon since I do seem to like that Misato person. |
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Ali07
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It definitely is, and I'm already subscribed. Thing is, for shows that I want to rewatch, I have a preference of owning them on disc. NGE does seem like a show that, due to it being out of print, price is a bit steep. Certainly not saying I can't afford a set, just...the initial impact of the purchase would hurt my wallet. Right now my wallet is going to take a hit, as I'm planning on pre-ordering the Kotobukiya Miku Nakano PVC (place I order you have to pay up front, but get a $20 discount when you pre-order early). And, yes, alternate endings do interest me. I kinda know how the anime ends, along with the movie (though can't say I fully understand it, but I also haven't a true context on the story overall), so I would like to check out the manga. I've not read up on how the manga ends, just know it is different. But, yeah, Netflix will be the first option I'll go with. The discs do interest me, seeing as they have a different sub/dub. If I like the anime, would like the 2nd watch to be the discs. I've been wanting to check out the movie series, just waiting to see if the next one really is the last or not. Long time between drinks for the movies, and I kinda don't want to start something that could have years left for the finale. |
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Crispy45
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Evangelion is often theorized as the show that took things to far and resulted in Japanese television networks cracking down on content in the anime they air following it's airing. You can see a shift in what was allowed in shows in the late 90s to present day and the early 90s and 80s. Full nudity and extreme gore, for example
Content seems like a bad way thing to look at IMO. Plenty of seinen and josei have virtually zero objectionable content but they're aimed at adults because they're a serious take on storytelling. Meanwhile you see plenty of shounen which are absolute gorefests and their main appeal is the cool battles and fanservice. But content is subjective especially between the west and Japan. Westerners will see Lum getting her top ripped off as horrific misogynistic sexual exploitation while Japan saw it as comedic slapstick humor. Or the concept of public bathing where a bunch of guys are in a bath together would be seen as 'gay' in America, or 'pedo' if it's a father and his young kid like in Totoro. But in Japan it's not even an issue that crosses peoples minds. |
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Cardcaptor Takato
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Gurren Rodan
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Sometimes I think Studio Gainax and Khara themselves learned the wrong lesson from NGE - or at least, had their cake and ate it too - when looking at how much merchandise they've made off of Rei and Asuka (other characters too, but especially those two). For a show that seemed to deliver "fanservice" with a self-aware awkwardness, the studio(s) and partners have few qualms selling out their fictional girls. I think Studio Trigger's last two collaborative projects - Darling in the FranXX and SSSS.GRIDMAN - are also a couple of good examples on how shows imitate NGE wrong and right, respectively. DitF imitated NGE in certain actions and ideas, while also providing strong atmosphere and aesthetics; but its muddled worldbuilding and plot development ultimately seemed to get in the way of the arcs for the characters, who weren't always thoughtfully or consistently written themselves (whereas the characters in NGE arguably stayed consistently in focus regardless of other subplot shenanigans). GRIDMAN, on the other hand, not only bore a similar sense of atmosphere, aesthetic, and even a bit of nuance, but successfully told an introspective character drama overlaid by a passionate love letter to its tokusatsu inspirations. GRIDMAN wasn't nearly as intense or as psychologically deep as NGE, but it understood it's focuses as a show and delivered them, with no expense to any other aspects of its story or characters. |
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Now this, I can agree with. However:
It's not necessarily a matter of whether or not the content is objectionable. When it comes to giving shows a rating, rather than thinking "will this piece of media traumatize kids" (which should definitely be taken into account with certain movies/shows), we should ask ourselves "does this piece of media deal with topics that kids will be able to grasp/process/appreciate?", and most importantly "how does this piece of media explore those topics?" Looking at it from that angle, I hardly doubt your average 7 year old will be interested in themes such as death drive, teenage sexuality, depression, etc., especially when they are explored through such unconventional and sometimes challenging forms of storytelling, like in Evangelion. That's not to say kids shouldn't watch or wouldn't like Evangelion per se. On the contrary, it seems to be loved by people of all ages in Japan. But if kids love it, it's probably because they think the characters and robot fights are cool. You mention seinen in your post, and I think OPM is a good example to bring up here. Sure, kids probably find it funny how Saitama is able to kill all those monsters with one punch, and they enjoy seeing all the cool fights, but I think we can both agree that the last thing on their minds when coming out of the show is the struggle with the ennui of adulthood. |
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Ggultra2764
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One question I have to ask on Netflix's streaming of Eva. For episodes 21-24, I recall there were original broadcast and Director's Cut versions of the episodes released when ADV originally had rights to the series, with the latter featuring reanimated content and incorporating deleted scenes featured in Death and Rebirth of Eva. Does the Netflix release use the broadcast version or Director's Cut version of those episodes?
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Shay Guy
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I know Those Who Hunt Elves and its immediate successors aren't exactly Eva-like, but that doesn't mean producers weren't thinking of the audience for those shows -- otaku who would be willing to stay up late, or record on a VCR, and buy the tapes and LDs and merch -- as "the Eva market", much like an American book publisher in the late 2000s might think of their new YA title as being aimed at "the Twilight market". I don't know how Eva affected companies' estimates of the size and expected purchasing behavior of the otaku population.
For that matter, I'd posit that Yuuna and the Haunted Hot Springs is aimed at a much older audience than The Last Saiyuki, despite the fact that they run in the exact same magazine. Readers interested in one aren't expected to be interested in the other. "6:30 PM on a weekday" is flexible enough to catch either younger kids or high-schoolers (who, I dunno, really liked Nadia and Exkaiser as kids), depending on the content.
It's the Director's Cut. |
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