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meiam



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Really like the atmpsphere/directing but I just don't care about moped in general and even less when it's ultra focused on just one model. So the long... exposition dialogue I guess about the cub in ep 2 just did nothing for me and I was pretty bored. I hope these will become less prevalent over time. As a results of that, I just don't really like the other girl which kinda "ruined" the aspect of "oh my gosh, she got a friend, squeee!!!".
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When I watched the first episode, I wasn't quite sure I liked it initially. I thought, and frankly still do, that some of the early monologue from Koguma was redundant to what it was showing. We didn't need her to say that she had nothing and was alone. The animation, art, and direction demonstrate that fantastically well without it.

But what kept me going was her smile. It has a Peanuts quality to it in its imperfection and in its sincerity. The direction from the second episode is also very promising, giving us a deeper look into her world and anxieties. From her imagining what it would be like to tell everyone she rode her cub to school to her brief panic at struggling to put her helmet away, this show is a sleeper this season.
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meiam wrote:
Really like the atmpsphere/directing but I just don't care about moped in general and even less when it's ultra focused on just one model. So the long... exposition dialogue I guess about the cub in ep 2 just did nothing for me and I was pretty bored. I hope these will become less prevalent over time. As a results of that, I just don't really like the other girl which kinda "ruined" the aspect of "oh my gosh, she got a friend, squeee!!!".


I'll about that the bike details don't do much for me, whereas Logins being happy about the bike does. I do think it's funny that this was sponsored by Honda though: that tickles me everytime.

I can understand not finding the exposition enjoyable: like I said, I'm not one for bikes make. I do think that the series is funding is legs. Gets to lots of good episodes ahead!
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All I want is there to be a sequel series where she's grown up called Civic
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Sisyphusson66 wrote:
When I watched the first episode, I wasn't quite sure I liked it initially. I thought, and frankly still do, that some of the early monologue from Koguma was redundant to what it was showing. We didn't need her to say that she had nothing and was alone. The animation, art, and direction demonstrate that fantastically well without it.

But what kept me going was her smile. It has a Peanuts quality to it in its imperfection and in its sincerity. The direction from the second episode is also very promising, giving us a deeper look into her world and anxieties. From her imagining what it would be like to tell everyone she rode her cub to school to her brief panic at struggling to put her helmet away, this show is a sleeper this season.


First of all: Koguma's smile is the best. I love how genuine it is, and I love your description of it having a Peanuts quality to it because that's just perfect.

I definitely think everything is shaping up to be a really heartfelt, fantastic story. It's definitely the sleeper hit of the season, and I'm going to keep crowing away until more folks jump on board and check it out, haha.
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Some of the best direction and cinematography of any series this season, which is quite unusual for a cute-girls-doing-cute-things series and especially for one that's really just a glorified Honda commercial.

And I like how Koguma and Reiko don't immediately become best friends and start hanging out all the time. They're both kinda loners and don't really know how to interact very well. The first time they talk, Reiko ends up gushing about her motorbike and then just leaves without any fanfare. Later, when Reiko is talking about how amazing motorbikes are and how they can take you anywhere, Koguma sulks and says she doesn't really wanna go anywhere.
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Great Rumbler wrote:
Some of the best direction and cinematography of any series this season, which is quite unusual for a cute-girls-doing-cute-things series and especially for one that's really just a glorified Honda commercial.


Honestly, it all feels really filmic even though it's really, as you said, a glorified Honda commercial. But darn it, it's a really good Honda commercial, haha.

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And I like how Koguma and Reiko don't immediately become best friends and start hanging out all the time. They're both kinda loners and don't really know how to interact very well. The first time they talk, Reiko ends up gushing about her motorbike and then just leaves without any fanfare. Later, when Reiko is talking about how amazing motorbikes are and how they can take you anywhere, Koguma sulks and says she doesn't really wanna go anywhere.


It's actually really nice that they don't instantly have that "anime new best friend" adhesion. Instead, they're still two really lonely kids who just like, get caught up in the fact that they have the same hobby.

I also love that Reiko drags Koguma down to eat with their bikes, which is just the most teenage hobby enthusiast thing ever. But I also like that it's a very tentative friendship: they're starting what will most likely be a really powerful friendship, but... it's not quite there. It'll have to grow, and honestly? I'm here for it.
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pixelatedlenses wrote:
I also love that Reiko drags Koguma down to eat with their bikes, which is just the most teenage hobby enthusiast thing ever. But I also like that it's a very tentative friendship: they're starting what will most likely be a really powerful friendship, but... it's not quite there. It'll have to grow, and honestly? I'm here for it.

So much this, and I wish the subs hadn't undermined this slightly by translating Reiko's line as "Together, as friends". The original line is closer to "together with friends", and there is an ambiguity there about whether she's referring to the two of them or to their bikes, but the fact that she says it right after gently tapping her bike kinda makes it clear. I feel like the fact that the English line leans so heavily into the other interpretation cheapens the scene somewhat, making it into a more clichéd friendship proclamation and undermining the slow and believable progress their relationship was displaying.
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I appreciate this show on two distinct levels. It's both an incredibly high quality, show-don't-tell expression of everything anime can and should be...and an incredibly well-calibrated ad for Honda. Absolutely everything in it is at once naturalistic in the moment but upon reflection can be read as part of a larger machine driving the message home: you really want a Honda Super Cub. You too can go from insular, lonely, isolated, drab and virtually insignificant, and all you need is this awesome little vehicle to freedom, new friends, vibrancy, joy. Stop going straight home; turn right (or left) and go somewhere new! The real you is waiting behind the wheel...er, handlebars of a Honda Super Cub!

...And while I might sound cynical, I want to make clear: I admire the heck out of it, the same way I do any ad that transcends its product and becomes art in itself. And let's be honest: Honda money makes far better anime than yakuza money, so...let's hear it for The Power of Dreams!
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This is an enthusiasm her classmates share in a deeply touching scene where they crowd Koguma and press her for questions about her new ride.

Umm...that didn't happen, sorry. She just imagined it could. When her classmates actually found out, they merely expressed surprise she'd gotten a license, and only one guy was excited -- until he found out it was just a Super Cub and not a "real" motorcycle.

What I noticed about that scene though was the low-key bullying by the other girls, and how she kept emphasizing that it was a used one, as if trying to make it less impressive and less worth their attention on her, or maybe even making sure that its being used wouldn't be something they could use against her later on (like, "Oh, you made us think it was new! But really you just bought someone else's castoff" or something to put her in her place).
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The scene when she gets on the Cub for the first time just encapsulated the moment I wanted to keep watching it.

The animation, the sound, the colour, the character art design, how it all synched up perfectly, how it all came to life in that moment and I didn't think about the anime... I remembered growing up around motorbikes as a child (my parents used to own a bike shop) and thinking thats exactly what it sounds and feels like.
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I am enjoying the show. In regards to the reviews however, you have to break the soundtrack down more. Here's an example: The first episode had three long instrumental passages, the first and third just being a solo piano with long drawn out flourishes... no sense saying what it symbolizes as I'm pretty sure the music is actually in Koguma's head, more on that one later... but the middle passage on the Super Cub is a piano, bass, snare drum trio.

It's funny how music works as some people here thought "That's a Peanuts smile!" when my mind went : "Oh, that's Peanuts music" to "OH! That's a Peanut's smile!" So far, all the music is piano centered but it feels more like an exploration in how many emotions you can get out of it. But the jazz trio section wasn't happy or jaunty nor was it as out an out depressed as that music could get either. Yet.

Also, all signs point to [blank]. I don't what's more unsettling, that a "modern" Slice of Life Show reminds me more of "Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou" then any other manga or anime I've seen... or that a presupposed slice of slice show has Lost like background events/ literal signs in the first place.

Remember, "Support your life". If you have to go shopping... don't forget you have to go shopping? Episode 2 already has me putting down Koguma as an unreliable narrator so hopefully they do a better job at it than that Joker movie.

You can't and I mean can't have an unreliable narrator in only just one regard. You have to make the audience question everything that character tells us, mostly because they should. She told us she's the girl who has nothing... but.... she doesn't?

I don't think this show is product placement for Honda, I just think this show is using a real brand item as an anchor... do I mean that figuratively or literally... yes, an anchor.
8888... both. 8 is infinity, 4 is death but 8888 is also 4 of 2 x 4.
But I'm just here for the ride that is life. And whatever that is after it.

That was the same convenience store in both episodes right? Because in the first episode, it was an imposing figure of a journey's end and in the second, it was right by the road. So inconsequential, she could ride right by it without a second glance.
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Charou wrote:
I appreciate this show on two distinct levels. It's both an incredibly high quality, show-don't-tell expression of everything anime can and should be...and an incredibly well-calibrated ad for Honda. Absolutely everything in it is at once naturalistic in the moment but upon reflection can be read as part of a larger machine driving the message home: you really want a Honda Super Cub. You too can go from insular, lonely, isolated, drab and virtually insignificant, and all you need is this awesome little vehicle to freedom, new friends, vibrancy, joy. Stop going straight home; turn right (or left) and go somewhere new! The real you is waiting behind the wheel...er, handlebars of a Honda Super Cub!

...And while I might sound cynical, I want to make clear: I admire the heck out of it, the same way I do any ad that transcends its product and becomes art in itself. And let's be honest: Honda money makes far better anime than yakuza money, so...let's hear it for The Power of Dreams!


Honestly, I don't think that's cynical: I actually think that's a really ken observation, and yeah, kinda of just what it is. True, this series is drawing from a novel, but like... It's also a Honda ad for their Super Cub, which I'm sure someone will buy because of this show. Heck, I kind of want one because of the show.

I do think it's a great vehicle -pardon the pun- for talking about depression and loneliness though. Super Cub is definitely transcending being just a show to appreciate a nice motorbike. I think you've got a lot of really good points!

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Umm...that didn't happen, sorry. She just imagined it could. When her classmates actually found out, they merely expressed surprise she'd gotten a license, and only one guy was excited -- until he found out it was just a Super Cub and not a "real" motorcycle.


Oh, see I took that little scene quite literally been Koguma strikes me as the kind of kids who would actually exclaim, "Hey, I got this thing I like and did this thing I like too!" because she's privately that happy. I think it's interesting to consider that she actually imagined it.

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What I noticed about that scene though was the low-key bullying by the other girls, and how she kept emphasizing that it was a used one, as if trying to make it less impressive and less worth their attention on her, or maybe even making sure that its being used wouldn't be something they could use against her later on (like, "Oh, you made us think it was new! But really you just bought someone else's castoff" or something to put her in her place).


I definitely feel for Koguma, especially since I taught high school in Japan. Poor kid deserves to feel proud sky her new ride: I hated seeing her downplay how much she actually likes is just too avoid standing out or becoming a target. Good thing she's got a kindred spirit in Reiko, as tentative as that friendship is.

Dirtyshadow wrote:
The scene when she gets on the Cub for the first time just encapsulated the moment I wanted to keep watching it.

The animation, the sound, the colour, the character art design, how it all synched up perfectly, how it all came to life in that moment and I didn't think about the anime... I remembered growing up around motorbikes as a child (my parents used to own a bike shop) and thinking thats exactly what it sounds and feels like.


The way they animated her hair blowing in the wind as if change had finally come to her dreary day to day absolutely remains one of my favorite scenes in this show. It all comes together in this heartbeat of a moment where Koguma's world really starts to open up.

That's pretty awesome that you grew up around motorbikes! What a cool life experience!

Animegomaniac wrote:
I am enjoying the show. In regards to the reviews however, you have to break the soundtrack down more. Here's an example: The first episode had three long instrumental passages, the first and third just being a solo piano with long drawn out flourishes... no sense saying what it symbolizes as I'm pretty sure the music is actually in Koguma's head, more on that one later... but the middle passage on the Super Cub is a piano, bass, snare drum trio.

It's funny how music works as some people here thought "That's a Peanuts smile!" when my mind went : "Oh, that's Peanuts music" to "OH! That's a Peanut's smile!" So far, all the music is piano centered but it feels more like an exploration in how many emotions you can get out of it. But the jazz trio section wasn't happy or jaunty nor was it as out an out depressed as that music could get either. Yet.

Also, all signs point to [blank]. I don't what's more unsettling, that a "modern" Slice of Life Show reminds me more of "Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou" then any other manga or anime I've seen... or that a presupposed slice of slice show has Lost like background events/ literal signs in the first place.

Remember, "Support your life". If you have to go shopping... don't forget you have to go shopping? Episode 2 already has me putting down Koguma as an unreliable narrator so hopefully they do a better job at it than that Joker movie.

You can't and I mean can't have an unreliable narrator in only just one regard. You have to make the audience question everything that character tells us, mostly because they should. She told us she's the girl who has nothing... but.... she doesn't?

I don't think this show is product placement for Honda, I just think this show is using a real brand item as an anchor... do I mean that figuratively or literally... yes, an anchor.
8888... both. 8 is infinity, 4 is death but 8888 is also 4 of 2 x 4.
But I'm just here for the ride that is life. And whatever that is after it.

That was the same convenience store in both episodes right? Because in the first episode, it was an imposing figure of a journey's end and in the second, it was right by the road. So inconsequential, she could ride right by it without a second glance.


I actually really appreciate your breakdown, Animegomaniac, especially about the music. Also, this does have big YKK energy, doesn't it? Kind of makes me want to pick up my cookies of the manga and read a few volumes today.

Also yes: same convenience store!

Also, I only say the product placement for Honda because I believe Honda is actually funding this show. I don't mean it derisively, just in the sense that the company behind the Super Cub is funding it, though this really is an adaptation of a novel series more than anything else. But like your said, I'm just here for the ride.
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Oh, see I took that little scene quite literally been Koguma strikes me as the kind of kids who would actually exclaim, "Hey, I got this thing I like and did this thing I like too!" because she's privately that happy. I think it's interesting to consider that she actually imagined it.

Just before she jumps up to make her declaration, she looks out the window at the sparse traffic. There's a very bored kid behind her in a coral sweater vest looking at his phone. After the scene where they're all excitedly pressing in on her, they smash cut back to her sitting and looking out the window, with the same kid who hasn't moved an inch still bored by his phone, even though in her daydream he was one of the first to spring out of his chair and ask if she was serious. Then she kind of shudders with a sickly smile as if she's thinking it would be nice if that happened, but also terrifying if it did, so maybe it's best she held back.
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Oh thank you for filling in the gaps: I think I might have looked away and missed her reaction and the "oh gosh that would be a lot" expression. I do think it funding better as a daydream target than a genuine scene, though it's kind of meat to see her imagining that kind of scenario, especially since we've only known Koguma as a lonely kid. I appreciate it!
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