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Gina Szanboti
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:51 am
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I had to chuckle when Sherlock bowed to Watson with perfect Japanese posture and humility.
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NeedMoreCats
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 4:39 pm
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Gina Szanboti wrote: | I had to chuckle when Sherlock bowed to Watson with perfect Japanese posture and humility. |
I know, right? Always makes me laugh, too.
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DJGoodNews
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:01 pm
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Oh, the nobility helped rebuild the city? What heroes. They rebuilt their factories so the poor could return to work? How selfless. They rebuilt the housing in the slums so the poor have a place to sleep between shifts? What charity. Protect this beautiful world Louis.
And the proletariat was never exploited again. The End.
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Yuvelir
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:54 pm
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That was an awfully naive endgame plan for someone that smart... although we knew how it was going to go because real world.
So, about Holmes' scenes, is it just me or did that letter to him read like a love letter?
I also didn't understand how he got such an "outrageous" order to get signed, probalby because I don't know what service he was being asked of.
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Maidenoftheredhand
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:28 pm
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The plot was a bit silly throughout this second season. Unfortunately that made me lose interest in the series. But ignoring that silliness and yeah Moriaty’s “brilliant plan” doesn’t seem all that brilliant I actually liked the ending with Sherlock and Moriaty. I wish there was actually more interaction between these two. What can I say I am weak for the romantic undertones of their relationship. I always saw you as a friend, double suicide, meeting again in the end. It was a little too late to save the series for me but I enjoyed the ending. A guilty pleasure of an ending but a pleasure none the less.
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BBally
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:51 pm
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The anime had to take a bit of liberties with its ending since the manga still hasn't ended yet.
Moran went rogue killing a nobleman post William's *death* ala. Conan Doyle's The Empty House.
Maidenoftheredhand wrote: | The plot was a bit silly throughout this second season. Unfortunately that made me lose interest in the series. But ignoring that silliness and yeah Moriaty’s “brilliant plan” doesn’t seem all that brilliant I actually liked the ending with Sherlock and Moriaty.I wish there was actually more interaction between these two. What can I say I am weak for the romantic undertones of their relationship. I always saw you as a friend, double suicide, meeting again in the end. It was a little too late to save the series for me but I enjoyed the ending. A guilty pleasure of an ending but a pleasure none the less. |
There was one chapter from the manga "The Adventure of the One Student", which was a William/Sherlock centric story as Sherlock decided to pay William a visit at the school he was teaching, but for some reason the production team of the anime adaptation decided to skip that chapter with rumors they're saving as an audio drama to be available on the series' DVD/Bluray release.
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Key
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 8:53 pm
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Yuvelir wrote: | So, about Holmes' scenes, is it just me or did that letter to him read like a love letter?
I also didn't understand how he got such an "outrageous" order to get signed, probalby because I don't know what service he was being asked of. |
What Louis is being asked to establish at the end - MI6 - is the British equivalent of the U.S.'s CIA. The series is seriously fudging on details here, as that body wasn't established in real history until 20 years later and wasn't known by that name until WW2.
Overall, I also was less than impressed with William's plan, and perhaps because of that, I liked this half far less than the much sharper first half.
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DJGoodNews
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 10:21 pm
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Ignoring how stupid William's plan is, and how it doesn't actually accomplish anything, its also wildly counter to his established character that he'd be ok taking off to another country and living free while one of his brothers is in prison and the other is put into service to the government.
I also just don't buy that Sherlock would be willing to die with William at the end. They have met like three times over years. The expectation when he jumps off that bridge has to be that he is going to die. So just... why?
Finally, Louis is like "Well, I just carried out a populist uprising against the ruling class, and despite all evidence I think it was totally successful. Nothing left to do but sign myself up for the British CIA". I know he wasn't the brains of the operation, but damn dude.
I loved this show, so I'm really trying to justify some of the awful writing in these last two episodes, but I don't think I can do it.
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Princess_Irene
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:53 am
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By the end I was really in this for the characters and random history/literature references. The plan was stupid, but I still liked the people involved.
Key wrote: | The series is seriously fudging on details here, as that body wasn't established in real history until 20 years later and wasn't known by that name until WW2.
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Yeah, they did some weird things with some completely historically accurate bits and then stuff like MI6 - the fire in this episode absolutely did happen in May of 1889.
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Yuvelir
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:43 am
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Key wrote: |
Yuvelir wrote: | So, about Holmes' scenes, is it just me or did that letter to him read like a love letter?
I also didn't understand how he got such an "outrageous" order to get signed, probalby because I don't know what service he was being asked of. |
What Louis is being asked to establish at the end - MI6 - is the British equivalent of the U.S.'s CIA. The series is seriously fudging on details here, as that body wasn't established in real history until 20 years later and wasn't known by that name until WW2.
Overall, I also was less than impressed with William's plan, and perhaps because of that, I liked this half far less than the much sharper first half. |
Oh, I mean the OTHER Holmes. Taking power away from the House of Lords is a huge deal and bigger than anything Moriarty has ever achieved.
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Yuvelir
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:12 pm
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Quote: | But the thing about beloved characters is that they rarely stay dormant for long; even if Conan Doyle had not changed his mind/given in to pressure about reviving Holmes, someone would have taken it upon themselves to give us another version of what happened. |
Didn't that actually happen? As well as subsequent stories.
Victorian fanfics.
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Princess_Irene
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:59 pm
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Yuvelir wrote: |
Didn't that actually happen? As well as subsequent stories.
Victorian fanfics. |
Well, yes. Conan Doyle didn't love it (see: his reaction to Maurice LeBlanc wanting to use Holmes in an Arsene Lupin story), but it absolutely happened. It's sort of like all of those Alice in ______land stories that came out during the late Victorian era up through the mid-20th century, where Lewis Carroll's Alice is just send to other places by other authors with varying degrees of parody. I have a nice little edition of Alice in Orchestralia from 1925.
What I find interesting are the YA and middle grade reworkings of Holmes - the Lock & Mori YA series, the Charlotte Holmes YA series, and this fun middle grade Italian series I just picked up about Irene Adler, Sherlock Holmes, and Arsene Lupin all meeting as young teens. (And all 900 others, like Enola Holmes etc.)
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Zzshcl
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Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:36 pm
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I would have prefered to see the manga final instead of this, and by that I mean when Sherlock was walking in a train station three years later without saying what happened with Will
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(manga readers already know what happened, but having Will's fate unknown in the anime would have been better)
AND BTW THEY DID DIRTY TO MONEYPENNY, her mission with Moran was cool af
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