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chronos02



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 6:49 am Reply with quote
Regardless of the success of the show, I don't think they did a good job in presenting this, in fact, they did the worst possible thing.

I'm pretty sure Netflix is awfully aware of how the average fan of these shows sees these adaptations, simply by looking at the previous ones of other Anime series into LA. They haven't had a great reception, and even if we consider Netflix's adaptations to be good, most other ones have been borderline bad at the very least, with some exceptions.

If we accept the above to be the situation, it's pretty clear presenting the title, and then the actors, isn't a very smart move, and will likely cause backlash, as we can clearly see everywhere we look. Sure, some people might be skeptical and wait for things to develop more, not "jumping the gun", giving the show an opportunity, but the rest is very vocal about their opinion on the show.

This being the case, I believe they should first present proof of their commitment to the show, with something the average and the core fan can see, and say "okay, I am fine with this", or better, "I am looking forward to this". The way to achieve this is, obviously, by giving them something that will go easily through their filtered glasses, in this case, both the "anime filter" and the "One Piece" filter glasses, so something like a good shot of the actors with set costumes in a properly composited scene, similar to how theatre stage shows in Japan do. But even better than this, a teaser with properly acted out characters and costumes in their proper environment would be best.

Is this hard to achieve? Of course, it's a really hard thing to do, both because it requires more budget than a picture of the actors in a wanted poster without costumes (or what to appears to be them without costumes), and because this is done at the beginning of the production (with everything this entails).
However, first impressions are KEY, even moreso for an industry that is so damaged and with such a terrible reputation such as the western live-action one.

Honestly, they way they presented things looks like one of those preteen love shows so the girls and guys go crazy over who the actors are and to get merch off of them... but I don't think that's going to work all that well for this... what is this, iCarly? lol

Unless, Netflix doesn't give two ***** about the core audience of the anime nor the anime itself, and they're just using the IP to attract people that don't even know the anime is a thing, which wouldn't even be surprising to me, given the presentation.

I don't remember quite well how Coyboy Bebop was presented at first, but I don't think it was this bad...? maybe...? Or they fixed things with the actors using their costumes, as well as with the teaser...? I honestly didn't have a good opinion of the show at first, with only Ein looking quite fit for the role, and Faye not looking the part at all. Jet... well, looks quite fit, though I don't understand why they had to change him to be from a different ethnicity, makes little sense to me unless it was just for their "equalty agenda" or whatever. Anyway, after the full trailer, it looks quite good. I would've personally made the show a contunation to the Anime, with Spike being in his 40s (because let's be honest, that's what it looks like), and going in a new adventure, but I'm going offtopic now.

Regardless, not great. Opinion is very split, and it clearly leans to the "this won't be a good adaptation" side.

As they say, first impressions are key, moreso if there are bad rumors about "you". They were obviously aware, so them not caring doesn't really put them in a good light.

Peronal opinion: Oh, and I don't know wether this will be good or not, only time will tell, but as I said before... I'm pretty sure it won't be a masterpiece, that's what experience tells me anyway.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 7:26 am Reply with quote
Cardcaptor Takato wrote:
We've already had Alita and Edge of Tomorrow which were well liked by both fans and critics. How many more live action adaptations have to come out before fans stop nitpicking over just cast announcements? It'd be like complaining about the cast of every comic book movie that comes out just because of Superman IV or Batman and Robin.


TBF most superhero movies casting and direction are still objectively terrible adaptions. People can praise and love the MCU as much as they want but as far as being a reflection of the comics Marvel films do an absolute terrible job that rivals the worst live-action anime adaptions out there at its very worst. That's probably why the MCU success hasn't translated into comic sales like successful anime adaptions always boost manga and light novel sales. They're as different as night and day and liking one doesn't mean you'll like the other.

I've never seen Alita and Edge of Tomorrow, or read their source material, but its a bit telling that those two series never got anime adaptions for people to compare them to unless you count the 2-episode OVA Alita got. With shows like Death Note people can look at the manga, then look at the anime and see a great adaption, and then look at the Netflix adaption and see it's a no brainer which one is the superior adaption. Those two fanbases, if they truly do like those films, don't have that option. No live-action adaption can ever compare to an animated adaption. Animation can literally adapt comics panel-by-panel, match their art style, and do things exactly like the source material does. Live-action will always have to take liberties. American adaptions especially always feel the need to Americanize things which just distances themselves from the source material even more.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 7:32 am Reply with quote
I can understand being skeptical about the existence of a live action version of Ine Piece in general because it's hard to imagine that being pulled off well, but I'm curious on what basis a lot of you are saying the casting looks "horrible" because a lot of these actors seem to be relative unknowns (aside from Zoro's who was apparently Enshi in the live action Kenshin films which is probably a promising sign if anything) and the fact that there seems to have some actual deterrence to Oda's proposed nationalities for the Straw Hats instead of just immediately casting the most bankable white actors they could afford means the showrunners might actually care about what they're doing.

All that said I still can't imagine how this would actually look or work but the actors at least seemed to have the right amount of enthusiasm and energy in that announcement teaser so I'm curious to see how they do.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 7:54 am Reply with quote
chronos02 wrote:
Regardless of the success of the show, I don't think they did a good job in presenting this, in fact, they did the worst possible thing.

I'm pretty sure Netflix is awfully aware of how the average fan of these shows sees these adaptations, simply by looking at the previous ones of other Anime series into LA. They haven't had a great reception, and even if we consider Netflix's adaptations to be good, most other ones have been borderline bad at the very least, with some exceptions.

If we accept the above to be the situation, it's pretty clear presenting the title, and then the actors, isn't a very smart move, and will likely cause backlash, as we can clearly see everywhere we look. Sure, some people might be skeptical and wait for things to develop more, not "jumping the gun", giving the show an opportunity, but the rest is very vocal about their opinion on the show.

This being the case, I believe they should first present proof of their commitment to the show, with something the average and the core fan can see, and say "okay, I am fine with this", or better, "I am looking forward to this". The way to achieve this is, obviously, by giving them something that will go easily through their filtered glasses, in this case, both the "anime filter" and the "One Piece" filter glasses, so something like a good shot of the actors with set costumes in a properly composited scene, similar to how theatre stage shows in Japan do. But even better than this, a teaser with properly acted out characters and costumes in their proper environment would be best.

Is this hard to achieve? Of course, it's a really hard thing to do, both because it requires more budget than a picture of the actors in a wanted poster without costumes (or what to appears to be them without costumes), and because this is done at the beginning of the production (with everything this entails).
However, first impressions are KEY, even moreso for an industry that is so damaged and with such a terrible reputation such as the western live-action one.

Honestly, they way they presented things looks like one of those preteen love shows so the girls and guys go crazy over who the actors are and to get merch off of them... but I don't think that's going to work all that well for this... what is this, iCarly? lol

Unless, Netflix doesn't give two ***** about the core audience of the anime nor the anime itself, and they're just using the IP to attract people that don't even know the anime is a thing, which wouldn't even be surprising to me, given the presentation.

I don't remember quite well how Coyboy Bebop was presented at first, but I don't think it was this bad...? maybe...? Or they fixed things with the actors using their costumes, as well as with the teaser...? I honestly didn't have a good opinion of the show at first, with only Ein looking quite fit for the role, and Faye not looking the part at all. Jet... well, looks quite fit, though I don't understand why they had to change him to be from a different ethnicity, makes little sense to me unless it was just for their "equalty agenda" or whatever. Anyway, after the full trailer, it looks quite good. I would've personally made the show a contunation to the Anime, with Spike being in his 40s (because let's be honest, that's what it looks like), and going in a new adventure, but I'm going offtopic now.

Regardless, not great. Opinion is very split, and it clearly leans to the "this won't be a good adaptation" side.

As they say, first impressions are key, moreso if there are bad rumors about "you". They were obviously aware, so them not caring doesn't really put them in a good light.

Peronal opinion: Oh, and I don't know wether this will be good or not, only time will tell, but as I said before... I'm pretty sure it won't be a masterpiece, that's what experience tells me anyway.


So you're saying not even presenting the actors is enough?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:44 am Reply with quote
chronos02 wrote:
Regardless of the success of the show, I don't think they did a good job in presenting this, in fact, they did the worst possible thing.

I'm pretty sure Netflix is awfully aware of how the average fan of these shows sees these adaptations, simply by looking at the previous ones of other Anime series into LA. They haven't had a great reception, and even if we consider Netflix's adaptations to be good, most other ones have been borderline bad at the very least, with some exceptions.

If we accept the above to be the situation, it's pretty clear presenting the title, and then the actors, isn't a very smart move, and will likely cause backlash, as we can clearly see everywhere we look. Sure, some people might be skeptical and wait for things to develop more, not "jumping the gun", giving the show an opportunity, but the rest is very vocal about their opinion on the show.

This being the case, I believe they should first present proof of their commitment to the show, with something the average and the core fan can see, and say "okay, I am fine with this", or better, "I am looking forward to this". The way to achieve this is, obviously, by giving them something that will go easily through their filtered glasses, in this case, both the "anime filter" and the "One Piece" filter glasses, so something like a good shot of the actors with set costumes in a properly composited scene, similar to how theatre stage shows in Japan do. But even better than this, a teaser with properly acted out characters and costumes in their proper environment would be best.

Is this hard to achieve? Of course, it's a really hard thing to do, both because it requires more budget than a picture of the actors in a wanted poster without costumes (or what to appears to be them without costumes), and because this is done at the beginning of the production (with everything this entails).
However, first impressions are KEY, even moreso for an industry that is so damaged and with such a terrible reputation such as the western live-action one.

Honestly, they way they presented things looks like one of those preteen love shows so the girls and guys go crazy over who the actors are and to get merch off of them... but I don't think that's going to work all that well for this... what is this, iCarly? lol

Unless, Netflix doesn't give two ***** about the core audience of the anime nor the anime itself, and they're just using the IP to attract people that don't even know the anime is a thing, which wouldn't even be surprising to me, given the presentation.

,,,

Regardless, not great. Opinion is very split, and it clearly leans to the "this won't be a good adaptation" side.

As they say, first impressions are key, moreso if there are bad rumors about "you". They were obviously aware, so them not caring doesn't really put them in a good light.

Peronal opinion: Oh, and I don't know wether this will be good or not, only time will tell, but as I said before... I'm pretty sure it won't be a masterpiece, that's what experience tells me anyway.


Putting aside the unoriginal yet understandable opinion parroted everywhere regarding the feasibility of this production being a success; honestly, its responses like these that make me disregard naysayers opinions.

This was just a quick casting announcement to get ahead of some leaks. The way that some people have negatively reacted confirms to me that there was nothing they could have done to satisfy them.

Case in point, people within this thread are saying the casting is mediocre and horrible without justification. I can see all of them making their roles work,
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:55 am Reply with quote
Divineking wrote:
I can understand being skeptical about the existence of a live action version of Ine Piece in general because it's hard to imagine that being pulled off well, but I'm curious on what basis a lot of you are saying the casting looks "horrible" because a lot of these actors seem to be relative unknowns (aside from Zoro's who was apparently Enshi in the live action Kenshin films which is probably a promising sign if anything) and the fact that there seems to have some actual deterrence to Oda's proposed nationalities for the Straw Hats instead of just immediately casting the most bankable white actors they could afford means the showrunners might actually care about what they're doing..


People need to stop citing that one SBS post as proof that the Straw Hats are not Japanese. Nationalities are not races. Oda was making a joke about stereotypes like Sanji being from France because he's a good cook. We know Sanji is not French because we've seen his homeland. And it also shows peoples racial bias. What if they cast a black Frenchman as Sanji? Or a white South African as Usopp? Would that be fine in your eyes? It's moot anyway because the actors they chose are not those nationalities anyway. Iñaki Godoy is Mexican. Taz Skylar is British. Emily Rudd and Jacob Romero Gibson are American. The only one they got right is Mackenyu.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:23 am Reply with quote
Until now I thought this was gonna be an all Japanese cast.
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RockSplash wrote:
The argument people use is that there is not enough of a fanbase for BL or Baccano. However, by that logic, John Wick, pre MCU marvel, and other series that don't have the biggest fanbases would bomb.


You're acting as though none of these examples you bring up weren't risks, when in fact they absolutely were. "John Wick" wasn't even supposed to be called that, but Keanu Reeves kept calling it that during interviews promoting the film that the producers just went with it; also, it was never expected to be a smash hit to start with.

The MCU starting off with Iron Man, of all things, was considered extremely risky back in 2008, because prior to that film the character was, at best, barely recognizable to anyone other than hardcore comic book readers. Prior to Robert Downey Jr. being Tony Stark, the best anyone outside of comics knew of Iron Man was literally only through Capcom's Marvel games (and he was only in two of them), a scant few people who played Data East's Avengers game prior to Capcom's games, and the few people who actually watched the animated series that ran (& quickly bombed) in the 90s.

I fully agree that companies like Netflix should put more focus towards adapting titles that actually make more sense, from a production standpoint, but at the same time if Netflix has to choose between making a live-action One Piece series or a live-action Baccano! series, it's no surprise that Netflix is going to go with the bigger name series.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:35 am Reply with quote
Matros wrote:
JoelBurger wrote:
fuuma_monou wrote:
Hoping it'll turn out all right, but the track record for Western live-action adaptations of anime and manga isn't good.


It probably won't, but One Piece is just about the worst possible thing to try to turn into live-action (between the need for constant rubber CG and its ridiculously cartoon world of 15 foot people). So it'll probably still be funny in a train wreck kind of way.


Not with that kind of attitude. Y'all should stop being so miserable all the time.


for real. theres is absolutely nothing to be gained from it. and if its bad?? who cares?? the original will still exist.

regardless how I feel about it. it is pretty cool of them trying to get multiple nationalities. something not in the original. as they are all voiced by one.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:59 am Reply with quote
Yeah ... but no. Hollywood does this to us because they hate us. You know that they hate us right?
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I wonder if Sanji will still smoke in this. Don't get me wrong, whether he does or doesn't will have no bearing on the quality of the show, it's just an interesting subject. As was pointed out in "Thank You for Smoking" when someone smokes in a movie, they’re either a psychopath or European. It's mainly only ever period pieces that do it. Even Anime only has a few characters who aren't villains that smoke.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 12:26 pm Reply with quote
earl.m wrote:
Yeah ... but no. Hollywood does this to us because they hate us. You know that they hate us right?


Except this is Netflix and not Hollywood.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 3:00 pm Reply with quote
I'm really looking forward to the dynamic between Zoro and Sanji. Hopefully they can bring it to life with those two. I'm honestly excited to see how Netflix handles One Piece given that it's a completely different tone from Cowboy Bebop.

We should all expect some heavy CG with Luffy's fighting style obviously. I'm wondering if we'll even get to see Nami do anything besides steal and greed her way through this adaptation.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 3:06 pm Reply with quote
Ryuji-Dono wrote:
earl.m wrote:
Yeah ... but no. Hollywood does this to us because they hate us. You know that they hate us right?


Except this is Netflix and not Hollywood.


I am doubting this would be good, but for those that are negative, what do you lose if this happens? Its not like this is going to ruin the anime. If anything, it'll bring on more fans. Even if it is bad. The anime and manga do not go anywhere if this sucks. I don't think it will be good, but saying Netflix or Hollwood hate us because of it seems a little extreme. The goal is to make money. If it is good, great. If it is bad, oh well. I understand it does not need a live action(I personally agree with that), but is there any other reasons that justifies this doesn't need to be made other than "I don't want it to"? Genuinely curious.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 3:17 pm Reply with quote
Guile wrote:
Divineking wrote:
I can understand being skeptical about the existence of a live action version of Ine Piece in general because it's hard to imagine that being pulled off well, but I'm curious on what basis a lot of you are saying the casting looks "horrible" because a lot of these actors seem to be relative unknowns (aside from Zoro's who was apparently Enshi in the live action Kenshin films which is probably a promising sign if anything) and the fact that there seems to have some actual deterrence to Oda's proposed nationalities for the Straw Hats instead of just immediately casting the most bankable white actors they could afford means the showrunners might actually care about what they're doing..


People need to stop citing that one SBS post as proof that the Straw Hats are not Japanese. Nationalities are not races. Oda was making a joke about stereotypes like Sanji being from France because he's a good cook. We know Sanji is not French because we've seen his homeland. And it also shows peoples racial bias. What if they cast a black Frenchman as Sanji? Or a white South African as Usopp? Would that be fine in your eyes? It's moot anyway because the actors they chose are not those nationalities anyway. Iñaki Godoy is Mexican. Taz Skylar is British. Emily Rudd and Jacob Romero Gibson are American. The only one they got right is Mackenyu.


Considering none of these nationalities exist in the One piece universe it really doesn't matter what they are. Long as they seem distinct from each other to show they're from different parts of the world. In that regard the casting seems fine enough.
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