Forum - View topicInterview: Satoshi Kon
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rti9
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Found the interview on the web archive:
http://web.archive.org/web/20050419061353/http://www.tkfd.or.jp/eng/division/public/supercool/sc01.shtml His preference is independent of Japanese being his native language. As he clearly explained, he doesn't like the possibility of voice actors altering the way he chose the story to be.
I don't get this. How is Hana a stereotype like Jar Jar? This bit also implies that you clearly know Japanese drag queens, doesn't it? |
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jsevakis
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When I first interviewed Mr. Kon at BAAF years ago, his reasons for not liking dubs were that most people serious about film would turn up their nose at live action dubs, and he hoped his films would command the same amount of respect.
BTW, Hana from Tokyo Godfathers is a pretty dead-on impression of a Japanese drag queen. If you think he's that far off and offensive, spend a week in Gotanda sometime and walk around after midnight. |
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TheVok
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Read the interview again ... given the context, he's talking about how other people watch his movies, not just himself. I don't know why you would twist this into a question of how anime directors watch their own work .... |
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GATSU
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rti:
Because they're both literally and figuratively cartoons?
Well, I don't know about Japanese drag queens, but the ones in TG come off like the fairies you might see in Hollywood films. [Think The Birdcage.] |
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Dargonxtc
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Now now, no matter how matter-of-factly you say that, it isn't true. Even if you want it to be. Hell, I was in many of those threads. But let's face it, your body of work is actually much much larger. And I was simply stating the feeling I get when reading the way you write much of that work. If it was incorrect to say that in general you hold dubs in a less favorable light from the get go, then you have my apologies, I stand corrected, I am sorry. Perhaps this is somewhat my fault. As I will take the tones of previous writings, and apply them to the tone of future work. Like when I hear you say, "No, he's right. The people you meet at cons are the exception, not the rule". To me this means you really have no respect for the majority of the talent on a personal level. And to me that's got to interfere judging the final product on its own merits, instead of the people who made the final product. Or when I hear things like, "My all-time favorite dub is still Kite. Still the only dub that I've ever seen that, purely through brilliant acting and casting, has added an entirely new emotional layer to a story". Given the huge ammount of anime you have seen, it makes me think you don't entirely give dubs a fair shake. I mean come on! Ever? Now maybe I am right, or maybe not, but that's sort of the lens I view you through when your talking about dubs. Now as I said before, and it certainly seems like it might need to be said again. This is not some sort of an attack on you. It is perfectly alright to have preferences. And you having a preference is all I was trying to say.
That really surprises me. Many of the better anime directors I have read seem to realize what a visual medium it really is. And that it is meant to be seen and heard, but not necessarily read. And with Kon's work which so laboriously stylized and assents so heavily on the visual as a form of communication, that he doesn't subscribe to the same line of thought. Plus, unlike live-action, dubs in animation actually work.
So it is sort of a snootiness factor then. |
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rti9
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Did you read what jsevakis wrote?
Ironic that because you watched movies, you know how to differentiate the stereotypes from the real ones. In Japan. |
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GATSU
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rti:
I don't doubt the authenticity of Justin's experienced opinion, but I'm still offended by Kon's inability to do a better job at looking at the person behind the "act", considering that Kon's a director known more for character development than caricatures. Hana still came off as a guy they wanted as a punching bag more than a sidekick to the point that even Hard Gay has more depth than him.
Well, I've also lived in a more "open-minded" town than others. So whether or not I know what Japanese drag queens are like, I do know that they're people with feelings, too-not just clowns for my amusement. |
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rti9
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It's not about being open-minded towards homosexuals or not. Is that you are complaining about stereotypes, despite stereotyping yourself. You are oversimplifying drag queens if you think they are all like the ones you know. Many cross-dressers love to stay "in character" and being exaggerate. Just like caricatures. Maybe it's due to Japan's strong traditionalist society that they hyperbolize a bit more in Japan. I'm not saying you should like Hana, just don't hate him for not being the way you expected him to be.
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Mohawk52
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GATSU
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rti: I never said I knew any personally or that they're all like the ones I've encountered. I'm just arguing that, in TG, Kon goes for cheap lowbrow comedy more than any actual wit or charm.
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rti9
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Dislike Tokyo Godfathers all you want, just don't claim that Hana is a stereotype when he isn't.
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reanimator
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In order to have time extension, ANN might have to arrange an all-night event, or special trip plus wine & dine. That is difficult to pull off due to conflicting schedules. I think Justin asked all right questions with given time. |
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GATSU
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rti: He's a stereotype in the sense that he's just playing a role, and not anything more than that.
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rti9
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That can be said about most fictional characters. If Jar Jar plays a role, so does Anakim.
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