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Richard J.
Posts: 3367 Location: Sic Semper Tyrannis. |
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While I'm rather sympathetic to what you're saying hikaru004, I have to disagree on this subject of ANN's response. Reporting this is exactly the kind of thing they should be doing. If they didn't report it, it would be a massive dereliction of duty.
Whether it encourages more actions like this or not, it's important to report what's going on. So long as ANN is reporting the full truth and as much as they possibly can. If they had information and were intentionally holding it back for reasons other than non-disclosure requirements, then that would be a problem. This whole situation is ridiculous. Funimation's clearly got a pretty severe security problem and one they obviously didn't do enough to fix when they took down episodes earlier. At the same time, what the hell is wrong with people that they can't wait a short time and do things nice and legal? Seriously, is this some kind of a condition anime fans have? A psychosis by which only the illegal way is the "right" way? This whole situation just seems so utterly pointless. Everyone's going to be screwed up by this and no one is likely to win any points in the long run so why do it in the first place? It just seems so stupid on all accounts. |
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Revolutionary
Posts: 601 Location: Too Far South |
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Yes, please FUNimation. This is getting ridiculous now. I'm still not going to argue or even believe that FUNimation is at fault here, but they are at least slightly at fault no matters which way you look. There's more than one leak now, and something needs to be done about it. I'm now really worried about the future of legal streaming of anime. I was looking so forward to it... |
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Dargonxtc
Posts: 4463 Location: Nc5xd7+ スターダストの海洋 |
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Although it says previous episodes where available with a simple URL switch it doesn't say that is what happened to this one. Any possibility this one was stolen with a more advanced hack?
And I still challenge the usage of the word "leak" here. Doesn't that imply that someone at the company "leaked it" out? Whereas as what really happened is that the file was taken from where it wasn't supposed too. Regardless of whether FUNi's security is tough or easy, I still don't think this is a leak. Maybe definition wise it might fit, but I think most news organizations reserve that term for when it comes from within the company, government, group, etc. |
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GWOtaku
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"A group" did it?
Does ANN know who is responsible? If so, it should report it, or at least relay that information to FUNimation. This is also a part of the truth. Last edited by GWOtaku on Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:31 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Zeqasa Saitou
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What I really don't understand is why everyone is being so harsh on Funimation. Metaphorically speaking, we are blaming someone who had their car stolen because their windows were easy to shatter and climb into. That is an unreasonable accusation on the victim. In an ideal society, they shouldn't even need to protect their stuff... in an ideal society, everyone would respect their endeavor to legally get a product to fan fast. But this isn't an idea society, so some things go wrong. But why is everyone blaming the victim?
I think the person we should be mad at is the person who is breaking in and illegally redistributing the animation; they are the ones who are causing a problem for both the animators and Funimation. |
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configspace
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No, because like all the other supposed "leaks", someone could have just distributed a URL pointing to their publicly available files and people could just download them that way -- all perfectly legal. I didn't check all the other TL;DR threads but I'm sure it was brought up many times. The fact is that they've been uploading all of their episodes early and having it wide open for anyone to "Save As..." has been going on for a while now before anyone made a stink about it. (In fact, their "streaming" system is essentially their player in your browser doing the exact equivalent of "Save As..") |
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Jih2
Posts: 403 Location: East coast |
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A closer analogy would be if Funimation left their car outside of their house for a few hours running with the doors unlocked. It doesn't appear there was any window shattering. |
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dan888
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Flawed analogy, Funimation put it up publicly on their servers for anyone to watch, so accessing it would not be illegal, only later distributing it. Breaking into a car is always illegal regardless of how easy it is to break in. |
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hikaru004
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I see your side also but it's not helping the situation any. The more attention the more bragging the more the occurences will escalate. Bragging about OP 404 for example. It's that e-penis thing all around. Sticking it to FUNi. There was absolutely no reason for not waiting considering this is a 26 episode series. |
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Navak
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No. It's not like that at all, not even in metaphor. The best possible analogy I could think of is if you imagine a tv station. They have windows through which you may view tvs... Funimation is that station, and they left the curtains open on one side, the side that normally has the curtains closed, and now people are/were able to watch something which Funimation didn't intend to display, but displayed nonetheless. |
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Acinom
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Point taken. However, the article is a bit ambiguous as to whether or not this episode was uploaded onto an insecure server or not (it states that previous episodes were insecure, but doesn't make mention of whether or not measures were take to secure this one is). Not to mention we don't know if it was an actual hack, or if it was someone within the company (hopefully just idle speculation on my part). I totally agree with you on the issue of if Crunchyroll can keep their stuff secure, then so, theoretically, should Funimation. Based on what I'm reading from the articles, I speculate Funimation had two main options available to them: 1.) Cease simulcasts and at the very least commission an IT security company to create a secure network for them. A bit time consuming and costly I would imagine. 2.) Get up some form of security (or heaven forbid, they decided not to secure anything after hemming and hawing for a few days), and resume the simulcasts to keep potential reciprocity with the fans. |
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configspace
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So.. to repeat what has been said before: - there never has been a hack - there never has been a secure server - it was always like this for their streams, where anyone could save the flv file To say that is was "illegally accessed" or to believe in the false "hack" theory is like claiming google hacked your servers because your FLV files showed up in the search results. |
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Ichigo069
Posts: 36 Location: Hinamizawa |
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ZOMG SOMEBODY IN THIS THREAD HAS A BRAIN!!!!!!
Yeah, omoikane, evidently he took my advice on trying to troll harder and actualy improved. I give him a 7/10 on that one. |
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Plorkyeran
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Not only was it sitting on a publicly accessible server, but it was even briefly linked to on Funimation's video page. Calling it an insecure server is somewhat misleading though -- that implies that there were security measures which simply didn't work. So far there's no reason to believe that the standard unix or windows security mechanisms would not have prevented all of the leaks if they were actually used. |
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Tofusensei
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hikaru, please give it a rest. The ANN Editor in Chief himself explained his rationale for why they ran the story. If you can't accept that, you've got a fundamental philosophical difference with this news site. Do you disagree with the media publishing reports on terrorist attacks? Is that letting the terrorists win? |
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