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DomFortress
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And while we're at it, how about having the fansub groups pay for their hobbies of disrespecting other people's properties, by them forking up their illegal file hosting fees? Or is that too much of a responsibility to ask from a bunch of people with no sense of value, because they don't even value what they do as a hobby by them being responsible and respectful about it? Nationality? Civil laws? Corporate ownerships? What's that got to do with those with no responsibility nor respect, when they're just a bunch of nobodies? And wouldn't you look at that, I managed to talk smack and still ended up telling the truth. So you're welcome! Now listen up, the fansub groups did something obviously wrong and so did the anime industry in some regards. And that's why both are being dishonest with what they're doing all together. And since two wrongs never make a right in the real world, the only right thing to do with myself is to by-cut their goods and services altogether from the internet. And once again, you're welcome! |
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mudduck454
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well with out fansubbers. I would have never seen nor heard about toradora, and other shows. I think they provide a service to expose people to anime that we would not likely see otherwise....
I am willing and able to buy the complete collection of toradora, subbed only or with dubs, but companies like funimation do not understand that... so instead they keep beating a dead horse called drogonball Z and re-releasing old shows.... then the rightstuf is acually bringing some decent titles out soon, and bandia is the only one who brought a newer show to america withing months of it had finished airing new shows in japan, I have ordered Kannagi and preordered the other half of it. I never would have considered it before, but since I had seen the fansub version of it, I knew I would like it and I decided to buy the R1 DVDs not many people buy a car without test driving it first, same with me on movies and DVDs, I want to see it before I decide to add it to my collection. so I go to movie theaters or rent it first and if I like it it makes it to my shelf with the rest of the DVDs I have, but with anime we have no real way to watch all the new shows being put out, I would love to buy several new shows right now, Toradora being one of them, Hatsukoi Limited is another, plus a lot more, and thanks to fan subs I was able to see them and know if I will like it or not, so now the ball is in funimations court and the other companies, they know there is demand for these shows, but they use the excuse that the japanese companies won't license, or they want too much money..... I'm tired of companies like funimation thinking they know what we want, and saying here you go. I have even gotten a letter from one company( I wont name them) stating that they will not license a show for America if it has been fansubbed, Bullcrap, every show that is being brought to America has a fansub floating around the net somewhere.... if they want my money... they need to find a way to bring me newer shows, not shows that are 5 years and older. as of right now I feel bandia is on the right track but they need more new titles, and when the other companies see that it works, maybe they will follow |
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DomFortress
Posts: 751 Location: Richmond BC, Canada |
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Over-consumption on character based merchandises, not anime. When anime itself became this animated pay-advertisement broadcasting on Japanese mass-medias networks. Made of borrowed licenses on existing original intellectual properties. Suddenly, every single Japanese corporate business are exploiting the Japanese anime studios to make animated pay-advertisements of their own independent labels. While they've got you to fork up the bills for one series after another series of paid animated advertisements, which are still being produced at 3 frames per second. Thank you man! |
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Chirico`Cuvie
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Talk about thread hijacking...
Anyway, I was really happy to learn that the number of titles released on Blu-ray is going to increase, even if it's a slow increase. Looking forward to Casshern SINS in particular. |
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pigoz
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who is the guy a the center with the hat? (not the guy with the strange hat, the other one who sat down a bit after the talk started). He is so fun, and has great points on karaoke and bad typesetting in official dvd/bd releases.
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Ktimene's Lover
Posts: 2242 Location: Glendale, AZ (Proudly living in the desert) |
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It doesn't matter what the fansubbers say (and I can speak because I watch them), fansubbing is illegal. I don't deny that they give potential for shows to be licensed after they stole it. The leaking scandal will be haunting Funimation's relationship with our Japanese buddies for a long time.
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Chirico`Cuvie
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That's getfresh, a retired-ish fansubber. |
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Yoda117
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Not necessarily. In it's current form and usage, you're 100% right, but unfortunately too many people are still operating under the "by fans, for fans" premise which was pretty much invalidated by the NET Act of 1997. Not to down anyone in the industry, but I've yet to hear of a good argument that properly explained the laws (both international and those within the US, or whatever country the speaker is located in). On this board I've read some very knowledgable users explain these points better than any industry rep I've met thus far, and I hope the industry is listening. On the other side of the coin, I've yet to hear of someone from the fansub community do the same to promote their own side of the case (i.e., explaining how they're trying to use "proof of concept" & seeking authorization to use new techniques and practices to prove to a studio/company how to do it better, etc.). Again, there are opportunities here for the industry to get some "free help" and up their game... might be worth giving it a shot, as both sides could potentially benefit.
Maybe. It depends on how they respond to it. If they merely react and patch the issue and move on, then you're probably right. However, if they take the opportunity to look at their existing policies and procedures, configuration and architecture, then incorporate a more secure framework and policy, they could leverage it to create something which could become part of their package to the studios they work with (i.e., "here is what we want to do with the license, and here is a relatively detailed architecture we plan to use to distribute and protect the content"). It's a common practice in industries where security is considered to be more than a passing fancy. I'm not saying that it's a quick fix, or an easy one, but it's a smart way to take a negative, turn it into a positive, and possibly offer something new to their industry partners (I've never heard of anyone in the anime industry having that kind of organization or documentation before). But that's just my $0.02 worth. |
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The King of Harts
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I don't have a huge beef with fansubs because I watch them, but one thing I that bothers me is when I'm looking for a show and see all these shows that are licensed on the site. Just take down the show as soon as it gets licensed. If the industry and the fansubbers want to meet halfway, then I think a good step to take is to respect the licenses and remove any torrent of a show that has been officially announced as licensed. I really like it when groups stop subbing a show when it's been announced for legal streaming and I think the next step is to take down shows that have been licensed for DVD release.
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DomFortress
Posts: 751 Location: Richmond BC, Canada |
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Why the push on an not-so-accessible Blu-ray technology, when the anime market is still too small to ensure industry survival, while recession is still upon us with no end in sight? Just how many percentage of entertainment media consumers are Blu-ray users? And out of those users, how many of those are actually anime fans who are willing to pay? Compare that to how many anime fans do collect anime DVD, and the current accessibility to of DVD technology, just which one of them is more advantage to maintain sustainability of the anime market, thereby ensuring the survival of a none-mainstream anime entertainment industry? Think and compare before you buy, that's sound advice.
Bullies are bullies because of who they are at what they do for fun. So is that what fansub groups are in the end?
Revenges are born of hatred, that kind of negativity needs to stop.
Which brings us to your first point. The possibility of both the fansub groups and the anime industry to really sit down and talk things out, with a neutral third party mediating the discussion. I for one am done with them both trying to appeal to me, by them being bias and dishonest with their consumers and toward each other. In The Art of War, Sun Tzu said that "All warfare is based on deception". So when both the fansub groups and the anime industry are deceiving each other and their consumers, they're still at war against each other and therefore, misleading their anime fans. This will not ensure the survival of neither one of them, which is the reason why I stopped following both their leads online by not watching anime via the internet.
The moment that the fansub groups released their fansubs via the internet, they've got no control over their fans' behaviorism and mannerisms and thus, the fansub groups can't do a thing to what their fans will do with their releases. They can't recall their products, when there's no physical format of their products. They don't run their groups like a business, when there's no direction nor flow as to what they're doing with their products. |
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sdhd
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Thanks for sharing this video. I found the video to be informative and interesting at the same time.
I believe that with Blu-ray it is possible to have subtitles in both fansub and industry format. This should be the industry selling point for Blu-ray dvds. |
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DomFortress
Posts: 751 Location: Richmond BC, Canada |
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Ultimately, just what do you like the most? Better animation quality overall with great story elements that's truly worthy of a HD post-production treatment, or more blocks of texts? Because if anime were made for fans like yourself, then it'll be made with dancing fonts allover the screen, as much as they could, as many types as they would, just like fansubs. |
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tygerchickchibi
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I don't like dancing fonts. Icky.
I can sing the karaoke just fine without them. |
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zanarkand princess
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Like the K-On karaoke that I thought was "creative" at first but then it got very, very annoying.
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DomFortress
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