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ANNCast - Staff Infection

Another great podcast. It was really interesting to meet more of the ANN staff and to hear a bit of their backgrounds and review philosophies (especially outside the context of the occasional forum explosion when someone gives a fan-favorite a poor review). And maybe it's totally off-topic for an anime podcast but all the film discussion is quite welcome too.

vashfanatic wrote:

No, no, no, "Midwestern" is the Iowa-Wisconsin accent that I have. Indiana is a whole 'nother game.

Hey, what are you talking about? Wisconsinites don't have accents.

Zac's rhapsodizing about how a film school education heightens your perceptions beyond the ken of the Great Unwashed had me projectile vomiting. It reminded me that film schools rarely produce film-makers of any worth, but when it comes to fostering a smug, pretentious attitude, they are peerless.

Also some advice to Zac and Erin - especially, Erin - if you intend to persist in podcasting, could you please make some effort to excise the word "like" from your vocabulary, because it, like, makes you sound, like, kinda, like, you know, like, bush league.

Ranma824 wrote:

I really don't understand the ire people have about the genre.

Start with the general annoyance with lazy fanservice pandering in general in ruining what could otherwise have been fun romps by, for example, taking every female teenage character design to the plastic surgeons for breast enlargement before enrolling in HS, with a mandatory quota of panty shots and shirts that mysteriously explode when punched.

Ah, but someone can "look past" that fan service to see whether anything else is there when you do. Which means tolerating the incessant tedious fan service to watch the show.

And then throw into the mix the clear sexualization of pre-teen girls as the fan service. And some people's internal excuse makers seize up and they simply cannot look past that.

And then throw on top the professional outrage industry trying to generate outrage from it in the hopes that they can shake money out of contributors that have been brought into a state of outrage.

And if you really aren't interested in lolicon, and you see more and more lolicon injected into series as a marketing gimmick, its a quite normal reaction to wish that it would simply go away.

Your post is complaining about fanservice, not moe. Ranma824 talked about moe in the post you quoted, and you used it as a launch pad for a rant against fanservicy anime like Ikkitousen and Queen's Blade, that I have not seen mentioned even by the greatest moe bashers as moe series.

I guess making fun of ourselves for being pretentious wasn't enough for you?

4nBlue wrote:

Your post is complaining about fanservice, not moe. Ranma824 talked about moe in the post you quoted, and you used it as a launch pad for a rant against fanservicy anime like Ikkitousen and Queen's Blade, that I have not seen mentioned even by the greatest moe bashers as moe series.

Agila wasn't complaining about fanservice in Queen'sBlade/other ladies with big boobies shows, which he explained pretty well most fans can tolerate.

He was making a point that lolicon for many fans crosses a point in their brains that they can't just tolerate. I experience lots of cognitive dissonance as to how people can equate that stuff as being anywhere in the realm of acceptable entertainment, and I'm not the only one. Like Erin, I wish it'd just all go away, and that it's fans would just stop talking about/defending it.

I think you took a completely different reading of Agila's post then he intended. One's just trashy fanservice, while he was moreso talking about the most sinister aspects of the Lollipop Guild's fandom, which some Moe shows feed into [but not all].

And of course, the fact that lots of people overlook or avoid acknowledging how many Moe shows are based on pornographic video games. I liked the AIR movie, but I am not going to pretend it's fandom is purely innocent.

Paploo wrote:

And of course, the fact that lots of people overlook or avoid acknowledging how many Moe shows are based on pornographic video games. I liked the AIR movie, but I am not going to pretend it's fandom is purely innocent.

While it's true that some people do overlook that some Moe shows are based off of H games, some people don't know until after they watch the show. If you look at it from the view point of that you didn't know until after you watching a series (Air for example), or never knew at all you could say then the fandom is somewhat innocent. If you come from the viewpoint of that you know what it's source material is, but fail to acknowledge it, then some of the fandom is not innocent.

"This show came from an H game, I must not allow myself to enjoy it. And if I do enjoy it, I must constantly remind myself that some people fap to this."

Either like the show, or don't. If you learn after the fact that source material was pron, so what? It doesn't make your experience/emotional connection to the show "tainted", or something ridiculous like that.

Also, the majority of the actual pron in these games is pretty LOL.

I hate critics who say that their position means they can't be objective. You choose not to be objective. You choose to lord your opinion. This excuse that a critic's job means being entirely subjective is effectively killing the entire industry of paid critics, making their voices worthless because no one is going to give any credence to someone who just wants to listen to the sound of their own voice.

Your post is complaining about fanservice, not moe. Ranma824 talked about moe in the post you quoted, and you used it as a launch pad for a rant against fanservicy anime like Ikkitousen and Queen's Blade,