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Annf
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I love time travel stories, naked girls, Poyoyon Rock, Halko Momoi, and dandelions, so I'm going to have to say that Popotan is pretty awesome.
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asimpson2006
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While most would think that if you like moe your a loli fan, there are some who wouldn't think that. While yes some moe fans would wish that lolicon not get licensed there are those than don't think that same way.
I generally don't see Moe and loli as wank material, mainly because I am not "aroused" by it, so I can watch it and not view it as wank material. Though I am going to have to ask the same question as PJ as to why some of it became "wank material" EDIT: fixed HTML. Last edited by asimpson2006 on Mon May 17, 2010 12:05 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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PetrifiedJello
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little girls ≠ loli
Perhaps you've misunderstood the purpose of the question? Let me ask it differently: little girl wears a bikini in an anime series. Lolicon (sexual object) or not? Therein lies the question's intent. It seems to me the term "lolicon" is taking a new generic term to include any little girl in a series despite the lack of sexual content. Given how "lolicon" was derived, I'm at a loss why people automatically assume the roles of little girls in anime instantly means they're for the benefit of the audience to "wank off". I don't think this at all, and that's why I get a little upset when someone else does, and passes this viewpoint off to trash a series. This particular element of anime has an impact in that those who enjoy a series labeled as "lolicon" find themselves as the target by those who feel the series only panders to "wankers". I enjoyed Strike Witches. This may come as a shock to many, many fans, but it was because of the story premise and not the panty shots. Stop and think about how people feel when the rest of the anime fandom thinks it's only to cater to lolicons so they can "wank off". I think Rin Kokonoe is gorgeously cute. It doesn't mean I enjoy lolicon. It just means I look at her in the same manner I would as any other little girl, real or not, who is just cute. Damn, is that even possible without the rest of the world believing the only reason we think they're cute is so we can bang them? That's just idiotic. |
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Brand
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I don't listen to these until Monday (because hey I need something to do at work) but have to say I really enjoyed this episode. Also the Heat Guy J at the end had me cracking up.
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rabrek
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It was a long show - didn't feel long, mind you - so I finished listening to it at work myself. Kept thinking something was missing... then it closed with "Heat Guy J" and all was well with the world. I really enjoyed hearing from the ANN columnists. In fact, I think it might be a nice idea to check in like this periodically, to hear what people are up to, and get their observations on recent issues. (Quarterly, perhaps?) Just a thought. |
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Annf
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Yeah I've noticed that as well. The most ridiculous version of that is people referring to children in real life as "real lolis." Ok, guys... I get the impression it's a kind of joke meme, as in "sexualizing children is wrong and therefore funny." |
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4nBlue
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http://ogiuemaniax.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/the-lolicon-of-1982/ |
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PetrifiedJello
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Hence why it's so diluted, which it shouldn't be. I don't think appreciating the way a character looks makes someone a lolicon. |
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erinfinnegan
ANN Columnist
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I love Princess Tutu. Am I redeemed or just breaking even?
Try using a phrase like, "She has a great character design". |
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nightjuan
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Nice episode. It was good to hear from more members of the ANN staff, Theron included, and I was particularly surprised to find out that David writes for Colony Drop.
That blog does have some consistently great writing and manages to remain intellectually stimulating in spite of its no-holds-barred rhetoric. That said, I usually find myself agreeing with their larger points but taking issue with some of the specifics involved from time to time, which I guess is inevitable. On a different note, I've been wanting to see Birdy the Mighty Decode for some time now. Just as well, I'm frankly undecided -as opposed to uninterested- about Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood. I guess I'll wait and see how it ends now that the finale is around the corner. I remember checking out the Ninja Consultants podcast once or twice and liking what I heard...but for some reason (...maybe I didn't suscribe to the feed?) I totally forgot it existed. Better make up for that. 
I'm not into toys that much as an adult, which is technically a good thing, beyond just keeping some pieces of my childhood in storage somewhere for the sake of nostalgia. Can't really see myself picking up the hobby at this point. I don't know if Theron is right about Koi Kaze, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. Though unless it has a truly mature take on the obviously creepy subject matter and the writing backs that up as seriously as possible, the whole thing just sounds like it would be fighting an uphill battle. Still, I won't write it off for now. As for the whole moe debate, its continued proliferation is definitely bad for the industry and you won't find me arguing otherwise. However, at this point in time it's unfortunately become something that I've had to learn to live with...at least for as long as the current trend lasts. If there's more to this or that specific anime than just a bunch of cute girls doing cute things, I'll usually give it a chance. If there isn't and the whole point of the show is to implicitly or explicitly sexualize underage characters, then I'm not going to waste my time. That's really all there is to it. Don't censor it but don't throw it my way either. Finally, I've been spoiled on the ending to Battlestar Galactica elsewhere, but regardless of that I do want to see the first couple of seasons and see if it really does live up to all the praise and subsequent hype. Haven't really paid that much attention to live action science fiction after Babylon 5. |
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Penguin_Factory
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Holy crap, it annoys me when people refer to any young female character (or actual people) as "lolis". You're absolutely correct about this. Unfortunately, I don't think it's a joke. It seems like "loli" has just become internet slang for "young girl" which to me is kind of like referring to all women as porn actresses (and about as mysogynistic as well). About the whole "moe=loli" thing. I agree that you shouldn't really equate the two and I can see why people were annoyed at Zac doing it in this episode. At the same time, the two do often go hand in hand, and there are frequently lolicon undercurrents even in "clean" moe shows. |
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Key
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The writing for the series gets such high praise from me because it does precisely that. You will likely not find a more serious and delicately-handled treatment of the subject matter (well, as long as you ignore the incongruously silly Next Episode bits) anywhere on film or digital file - not just anime.
I would not be averse to a brief once-a-quarter check-in. |
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TarsTarkas
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I really loved the new take on Battlestar Galactica, and I throughly enjoyed the series. Just hated the very end of it, when they ripped off Gallforce. Number 9 and Baltar, the cruel gods who gladly drive humanity and cyclons back to nature and survivalism and doom them to repeat the cycle over again.
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Key
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Gall Force was hardly the first sci fi title to use that particular plot gimmick. |
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Takeyo
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