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ArsenicSteel
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and the redirect.
I was pointing out that Soba-man's the 4th conclusion assumes fans are knowledgeable of business transactions that put manga on the shelf of their local ABC mart. Saying the process is relatively transparent is not making any excuse for bootlegs. |
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hissatsu01
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Oh c'mon, it's not hard to find out how. Do it. For altruism's sake. There is no plight more wretched than that of the long suffering and downtrodden anime fan. God knows there's no one more altruistic and unselfish than they. It is a sacred duty to spread anime far and wide, unencumbered by the petty bourgeois concerns of those vile anime companies. Those companies who have hijacked our beloved anime from their creators - they whose sole wish is that anime be spread freely throughout the world, with nary a profit motive in their pure hearts. Ahem... There's a phrase I think is appropriate to this entire conversation regarding paying for anime and its relation to being a fan or not: Money talks, bullshit walks. And after nearly a day of the "arguments" against paying, this place is looking rather like the Augean Stables. Last edited by hissatsu01 on Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:01 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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LordRedhand
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If I recall correctly someone who was pro-piracy said that "This is the Age of Information and ignorance is not an excuse." While I disagree with some of his position and how he used it to defend illegal distribution the positive aspect of the above sentiment is clear. It takes but a minute to find out how the process works, probably with charts and graphs to help explain it to someone. So for example here http://ghostlightning.wordpress.com/2009/03/10/steps-in-anime-production/ and this http://knowledgenetwork.thunderbird.edu/research/2010/08/12/andreas-schotter/ for a start to get going. Throw in this RSA from another post (and on youtube no less) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOP2V_np2c0 is another avenue of information. There is a wealth of information to find out about the processes involved in getting what you like to your hands, from DVD commentaries and convention panels to literally college professors posting videos on youtube to inform you. As our legal system is set-up ignorance is not an excuse for a wrong, and especially now because it's so easy to find the information to the who, what, when, where, and why to something. Educate yourself. Also to the Altruism point http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpAMbpQ8J7g&feature=related Last edited by LordRedhand on Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:13 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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garfield15
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We're almost epic enough for the thread to be locked. We just need to have people start calling each other f***-tards in rapid succession. |
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scchan
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Self interest is not always a bad thing, and there is way to play self-interest that benefits oneself and others the same time. One of the first thing I have learned after entering real job world is that... you can be a nice guy in the office, but you still better look after yourself; you don't want to be the nice guy that get screwed. You need doses of Romance of Three Kingdoms and Legend of Galactic Heroes. |
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Tanteikingdomkey
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I am sure what is worse someone say crunchysubs is doing nothing wrong or being grouped with them by people here. if you want to say doing shows that are unlicensed and have a very high chance of remaining that way that is wrong but saying that crunchyroll is alutrustic..... (keep it together tantei) I can assure you just about every show that crunchyroll does is done by a fan subbing group, and while I enjoy my membership to it very much their timing and typesetting on occasion is something I would expect on a Hong Kong bootleg (the translations are great though, and they said they will start doing song translations and kara soon and they have gotten much better recently). on top of that I know all about it not being liscensed in country X dilemas (60% of the people in my group do not live in the North America or the UK). but you know what they did that work IT IS NOT right to take those videos off that site and make them downloadable. First off the contracts with the japanese companies. Second it denies crunchyroll it right to include advertisements on it site, and in the videos, not to mention the HD videos that you actually need a MEMBERSHIP to gain access to supposedly. that funds most of crunchyrolls operations and licenses and subbing cost. Third 75% of the people who download from them NEVER buy the releases of the anime when it comes out in their country. Fourth you do not release someone else work to other places without consent from them period Fifth you encourage the troll who say nothing good ever comes out of fan subs and all fan work is evil at its core Sixth doing that for a "moral" reason would be very hypocritical, push me button on this point and you will get the chewing out of your lifetime because I know about Altruism, and question my values like some people here have and... well "hell hath no fury like a fansubbers scorn" |
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Tanteikingdomkey
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hissatsu01
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Tanteikingdomkey
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opps.... my bad, its been a bad day for me and this whole topic has been letting me vent, sorry about that cool art though |
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Sunday Silence
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I did buy the Yen Press releases of Black Butler. I also bought the magazine while serialized Black Butler. Guess something got lost in the translation. So yeah, I do have the right to criticize her. And yes, she could've handled it better. In addition to scolding, tell her "fans" to buy the manga and buy the magazine where her stuff is serialized. As it stands, she just gets off as a lady who just realized her stuff was stolen by people and decided to be an internet drama queen. And of course, I can mock some of her words, like:
Give me your address then, i'll mail you a dollar worth of rice.
Wrong when you take it to a worldwide level. You have a case with the Japanese or any other areas where it's licensed, but you're not exactly loosing money when Country Z doesn't have a licensee releasing your wet dream in their country. Also, I never finished the new FMA but...I thought in the first anime run there was no "real" Equivalent Exchange? Also, this area also tripped me up somehow:
Didn't know she was talking about Japanese fans, not Foreign fans. Huh. But still, encourage your fans to buy instead of berating them. And also, how do these messages result as lost sales? Does she or her publisher have physical proof that low sales = piracy? IIRC, the RIAA did this same tactic, and when called to the podium, couldn't prove bumpkins in their lawsuits against suspected pirates of their music. I chalk it up as not admitting your current business models are starting to fail, and instead trying to put the blame on something else because it seems to be "okay."
Hey, this is not a thread about jailbait, clean it up. |
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agila61
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I was basically disputing both the claim and your response at the same time as being beside the point. Whether or not fans or "fans" or audience members or whatever in the hell we are I don't want to fall back into that ultimately pointless argument over semantics ... {deep breath} ... ... understand that point four stuff does not matter for supporting fans that consume what they are entitled to and support the creators as best they can. Not understanding the point four stuff only enters into it for people who use it as an excuse for consuming bootlegs. And like most rationalizations, "understanding" it just means that excuse is abandoned and another one is picked up. Edit: If it was transparent, it would be easy to see how it works. Hard to see how it works is obscure. |
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BuckwheatNoodle
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She was NOT beRATING her FANS! Learn some Japanese and read her article. She is not yelling like a madlady. Sign up to learn some Japanese at www.livemocha.com and make some Japanese friends. Have them teach you a thing about Japanese language and culture. Come back two years later after you've become somewhat proficient and read the article again. |
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Tanteikingdomkey
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I also own yen presses version of volumes 1 and 2. she does have every right to chastise people who use fan subs over official releases. could she have phrased it a lot better, definitely. the first FMA was about (in some part) there is no equivalent exchange however it works in the manga and 95% of the time in the anime so. anyway she is doing fine so we do not need to go into the whole I am broke thing ok, nor do we need to define what a fan is alright
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BuckwheatNoodle
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Nothing wrong with how she phrased it. Also, it was in her personal blog, not a newspaper. Other than that, I agree with you. |
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GWOtaku
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Hmm, someone hasn't been paying attention. I know it's a long thread, but c'mon.
There's your encouragement. |
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