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agila61
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But the grouping is understandable, since most fansubs that most people see is direct head to head competition against legit content.
No, not that Crunchyroll is altruistic, that Crunchyroll is, since the start of 2009, legit. Where did anybody say that Crunchyroll is altruistic? They're a business, out to make money. And, as the ANNcast this week made clear, were pretty much failing at it as a bootleg site (the economics only work out for anime leech streaming sites because they do not host the video streams themselves), so when they got the opportunity to try to go legit, they grabbed it with both hands. Altruism, shmaltruism. They are legit because its the more promising way to grow their site. As long as they pay revenue back to the content creators, maybe I prefer that they are doing it for greed or ego ~ altruism can be an unsteady motivator.
They don't do the subtitling themselves, of course. When pressed on it onsite, they say they keep asking.
... they don't do the translations either, at least not the English language ones, though I read something somewhere that suggested they may be getting permission from one or more rights holders to allow region specific, language specific alternate translations, which would be the thin edge of the wedge toward getting the right to do alternate subtitles more widely on the site ...
Its also clearly wrong to fansub a current season show before its become clear whether or not it will be licensed. And most of the "not ripped" fansubs are shows that are either already licensed, likely to be licensed, or else done far too soon to be able to know if they are likely to be licensed. Its not "fansub groups over here, DVD and stream rip groups over there". As far as your rules, most of the fansub groups seem to be at least partly in the same rule breaking box with the DVD and stream rip groups. Even for long established groups with ironclad "drop if licensed" rules, it turns out that if enough in the project disagree, they just hive off and release it under a different name. Edit: and speaking of Altruism:
I don't know if its such a hard concept to grasp. The genuinely altruistic will sooner or later discover that there are people starving and people homeless and the time they are spending keep providing anime to those without could be spent feeding the hungry and putting a roof over the homeless, rather than taking food money and rent money away from manga-ka and food money from inbetween animators (an inbetween animator is obviously not paying rent in Tokyo at $1,000 or so a month). So I think scchan nailed the kind of "Altruism" that gets people to sign up to Crunchyroll in order to rip their subs. Last edited by agila61 on Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:08 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Tanteikingdomkey
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just because it was on a blog and not a newspaper does not matter after all as the funimation blog taught us with we have to edit dance in the vampire bund to make it suitable for US audiences. it does not mater where you say it anymore it is how you phrase it. because as I am they learned phrasing is everything (I still wish they where going to do an edited dvd though since I hate loli-con aspects of any show). |
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agila61
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For crying out loud, she's writing to Japanese fans. Its her BLOG, in JAPANESE. Anyone who can read the blog can at the very least import the Japanese manga directly and just read it. |
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Sunday Silence
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And I seriously doubt people want to be anally raped after the S&H fees kick in. I was thinking of getting the entire series of OverRev! and My Favorite Carerra, and you know what the S&H was? $400.00 for $150.00 worth of manga!
Her argument is moot when I can just go online and stream them off the official websites a/or licensed sites. And most TV shows on right now just plain suck. Last edited by Sunday Silence on Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:01 am; edited 2 times in total |
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Almaz
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Sweet. My feelings exactly. I think we ought to have an Otaku fight show pitting the extreme fansubbers (those money grabbing, killers of manga and anime artists of the world) vs. the purists (one who are perfect in life and do no wrong.) The proceeds go to the starving artists that are living in the blue boxes on the streets of Tokyo. Before the flames begin, this is what many people here in the forum sound like. My comments are mere satire. So chill please. I would place myself in the middle. This subject is only made worse from the economy. I read the article claiming libraries do no harm. I found articles just the opposite. Billions of articles are lent on the original purchases. Whatever. If people can't do the math, I am not going to tutor you. It is all number games and statistics. I can paint something one color, and you can paint it another. Doesn't solve the problem that less and less money is going to the artists ... be it from borrowing, "stealing," the publisher screwing the artists, people getting tired of their expensive hobby and moving on, watching at a friends house and not liking it, people degrading each other, and the list goes on. I am a fan of my local basketball team. Never bought any merchandise from them and only went to one game. I still consider myself a fan and cheer them on when they go to the playoffs. Get off of your crystal thrones on the fan issue. |
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Tanteikingdomkey
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then why did it mention the US releases of the anime and manga and funimation and yen press? I think it was also aimed at us |
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ArsenicSteel
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Oh like transparent tape? Shucks, I'll be damned. That is a definition of the word. I know point 4 does not matter and is not directly related to the topic. That is why I commented on it. This has been one big perpetual monster of a thread that if you don't agree with others in you just get plowed under. Damn near 30 pages of people agreeing and saying one another is right....snooze. |
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crosswithyou
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Going from where I left off yesterday so there'll be replies from what was said a few pages back.
I think Mediggo forgot to add the words "easily accessible." The non-legal websites offer free contents and are easily accessible. I'm not sure about FUNi and AnimeNetwork, but with Crunchyroll and YouTube, while they are free, they are also locked to certain countries that have the license to stream the content. On the illegal websites, anyone can have access and it's still free. Also, illegal sites are more timely. With Crunchyroll, you have to wait at least a week to see the "latest" episode unless you subscribe.
As I mentioned in one of my previous replies, this has been an ongoing thing. Toboso sensei had been receiving these types of messages for a while and only NOW is she reacting because she felt the need to. By saying "she only reacted to it," you make it sound like she blew her top the moment she got one message. This has been going on and could have been going on for months, and Toboso sensei had gritted her teeth all this time.
This is where the fan who financially supports artists and never relies on bootlegs gets their priorities straight and gives up their hobby, which costs money, for a while in favor of the more-important education. Then after they graduate and get a paying job where they can afford their hobby again, they continue where they left off. So basically, if you don't want to be called a leech, make sure your hobby is one you can afford. Just playing devil's advocate; I'm glad you actually put some effort into making sure the artist gets paid even though you have limited resources. That's much better than some others here. Still, at the end of the day, if you don't pay for something, you're stealing. The fact doesn't change if you buy one or two things here and there but "preview" (read: "download") the rest.
Alright, this one I gotta give you a dose of reality. The industry is not going to die? Um, have you been living under a rock? Have you not been reading all the reports on ANN about the layoffs in the industry, companies going out of business, sales going down, etc, etc? The fact is, the industry IS DYING. It's not dead yet, but if things continue the way they are going, it certainly will in the future. Perhaps not now, but eventually. The only reason why companies have started official webstreams and the like is because things are bad and they need new forms of media to get more customers. Illegal streams were stealing their money so companies entered the same market to try to take some of that back.
Perhaps you didn't see, but I mentioned a few pages back in a reply (actually I think it was my first reply in the thread) that Toboso sensei's post was directed at Japanese fans, not foreign fans. Also, Toboso sensei DID encourage people to buy. As I mentioned in a reply, she suggested that those who can't work do work around the house to get presents from their parents, those who missed an episode to rent, etc, etc. Perhaps it is the tone the ANN article set that adds to the confusion, but never did I feel Toboso sensei was "yelling" at or "berating" fans in her entry. |
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Almaz
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I ran the website through Google translate. Of course it did not do well. I would like to read the original article. Not the glamorized standard "news phrasing" on ANN. Any one good at Japanese willing to translate so people can get all of what is being said. I am sure ANN did give the general content of the message. I just like to read it from the horses mouth.
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crosswithyou
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I'm working on it. |
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agila61
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I don't remember which page the rough translation was in, so I am looking at the article. I don't see anything in the article that suggests she did. Of course, the article is written for ANN, so it provides context for US readers. Let me BOLD FACE those sentences that report on Ms. Toboso, and ITALICS those that are not reporting directly on Ms. Toboso and so may be presumed to be reporting facts independently.
You will note that each sentence reporting on what Ms. Toboso said indicates that,
Like "transparency in government", something often promised but rarely delivered. But anyway the promise is making it easy to see how government works. Like the transparent man or woman at the local science museum makes it easier to understand anatomy. Last edited by agila61 on Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:30 am; edited 1 time in total |
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agila61
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Airmail or surface book shipping? And of course, there's a growing amount of manga available for digital download, and the freight on that is quite reasonable. |
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Tanteikingdomkey
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opps my bad |
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BuckwheatNoodle
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Referring back to my previous post on merchandise markups in America.... $400 for $150 worth of manga is about 2.6~2.7. Sorry, but you can't help the shipping costs, the Yen to Dollar exchange rate, and other taxes. |
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Sheleigha
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What about if using http://www.kinokuniya.com/ ?
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