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TheTsunami
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Well I'll be...doubt I would recognize who it was though, I entered Seaholm with the class of 99 and just graduated in 3 years, so I wasn't familiar with the people in my graduating class. |
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ANN_Bamboo
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Sorry you feel that way, Gatsu. Personally, I found the character designs to be innovative and creative. Sure, sure, the character designs for hentai-sim based shounen romance shows are much prettier, but that's a bad way to judge the quality of anime.
I found Dead Leaves to be hysterical, hyperactive, and dammit, I had a damned good time. So in *my* opinion, not yours or Chris Beveridge's, it's Shelf Worthy. By the way, thanks for the personal attack regarding the Blood review. Too bad I didn't write it. |
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GATSU
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I didn't even consider the character designs "innovative". They were knock-offs (tributes?) of American underground comic book art from the 60's and 80's, and at least those were more creative. And the reason I didn't feel Dead Leaves was lol was they just shoot stuff every other frame. If I wanted to see stock footage, I'd buy something from Toei. As for the Blood review, by "you", I was referring to ANN as a collective whole.
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jfrog
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The hell? Dead Leaves had the same energy that you'd find in the best underground comics, but they look nothing alike.  ,  , and 
do not look like 
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Kagemusha
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Yea, that one had me scratching my head too. But it could be true, as I haven't seen too much from the 1960's other than Crumb. Could you provide exapmles to back up your claim?
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GATSU
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Actually, I was thinking of the style of those monster car comics.
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JustJon
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GATSU
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That's the one.
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Kagemusha
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I love those! I have a sweet T-shirt with one of the pictures on it. I guess I could see where the comparison comes from, but I still think the dead leaves designs are somewhat original.
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v1cious
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ever read Tank Girl? it's a 90s comic, but the resemblance is uncanny. |
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ANN_Bamboo
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Gatsu, you think that virtually *everything* post 1980 is a knock-off of something else. Name something in this day in age that you feel *isn't* a knock-off. If Dead Leaves had pretty character art designs like Kimi Ga Nozomu Eien or something, you'd say that was a knock-off of something else. If it had character designs like, I dunno, Paranoia Agent, you'd say it was a knock-off of Satoshi Kon stuff. What on earth does something need to be "creative" in your mind? |
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Nani?
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Gee, I guess everyone does not have the same taste and don't consider the same stuff "innovative". How come I'm not surprised.
On the other topic of the discussion, I wish I could have a dead rat as a mascot.  We just had a Lion. Had I cared enough, I would have felt jealous of the schools down the road named after an Indian tribe or the one nicknamed "Rebels".
They at least got notice over the names and the latter one has some tragic irony to it nowadays and at the time I was around, a principle known as a control freak. All the Best, Nani? |
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GATSU
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Sakechan:
Hey, it's not my fault the anime industry's going the way of Hollywood. Japanese production studios finally get decent budgets on a regular basis, and they start mimmicking us, instead of doing anything original. But to answer your question, Tamala, the Takahata movies I saw on Hollywood, Millennium Actress and even Tokyo Godfathers, the latter of which retains enough Japanese elements not to be considered a carbon copy of the John Wayne film. (The problem with today's anime is it only "looks" Japanese on the surface, but acts like whatever's big over here.) Oh, and Koji Morimoto's Beyond in Animatrix, as well as Watanabe's Kid's Story. (I'm not even fond of Peter Chung's art, but I at least respect his desire not to pidgeon-hole his characters like the rest of the industry.) Hell, for a while, I used to be annoyed by his second sequence in Memories, but then I started appreciating it for intentionally being different, and not elitist like whatever Anno pulls out of his arse.
Media that actually has the personality of the artist would be considered creative. Media that just emphasizes whatever the artist thinks will appeal to a general or even limited audience is either uninspired or pretentious. And as I said, if Dead Leaves did something with the art style, rather than just make it predictable, then I might appreciate it more. |
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jfrog
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But...that's the way the culture in modern Japan is, and the way that anime has always been. I agree that there's not very much creativity in anime nowadays, but I think you're taking it too far. And besides, couldn't you make the argument that Millennium Actress takes some of its ideas from Citizen Kane? |
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Rion
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But what you have to keep in mind is that the business of anime production is just like the business of Hollywood. They can't hold a fanbase if they can't adapt to change and current public tastes.
There are a few exceptions of course, but they are both quite similar if you think about it. The anime production houses in japan are almost the equivlent of the Hollywood houses here in USA. |
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At least a pestilent mouse, I saw a few of those in the school. 
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