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VORTIA
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Most of the imouto fetish anime I've watched and imouto fetish manga I've read aren't hard H-material. Doesn't change the romantic feelings Kyosuke & Kirino obviously share. I'll let you get back to me after you've read the light novels or finished the second season. My own sister not withstanding, Oreimo was intended to dip your mind in the gutter from the second it started talking about a young girl playing imouto eroge. |
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Well look, the anime is the anime; what it is adapted from or what may come next doesn't alter what was onscreen. I happen to somewhat agree with you - I think the show was pretty sly about suggesting that territory without being literal about it. It's a cagey strategy. Those who have a hard time admitting they dig that kind of thing could, with a certain justification, insist it wasn't there, while those who do like it got a whiff of jollies, I guess. |
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VORTIA
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Sure, but why would you make an anime with such a premise, or write a light novel with such a premise, were there not already an existing market that understands said premise standing by to lap it up with their cold yen? I could continue that the publisher of the Oreimo light novel and the manga ASCII Media Works/Dengeki G's have been exploiting this demographic since the beginning - Sister Princess was their product, marketed to the same demographic! Obviously, if your goal wasn't to appeal to such a demographic, you wouldn't have written such a premise. Yet they did, because they regularly market to these customers. One has to admit realistically, at the very least, the premise and story was written to draw in those interested in imouto incest material. Anything else is purely ignorant of who the publisher and anime production commitee are. |
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AeonEsperKyo
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Well, after being crazy enough to actually read all 130+ posts, I must say that the hate level towards Kirino is FAR beyond what I thought it should be.
Sure, her character is portrayed to be a b*tch, but it's hardly the first time this has been done. [Insert Haruhi example here] [Insert Yuri Nakamura example here] [Insert Sora Kasugano example here], etc. So maybe the levels in these cases may be softer for some, and more severe for others, it's still the same general personality design. You have to remember that Kirino really wants to be socially accepted, despite her interests being socially unacceptable. I mean, part of the struggle towards working into an incest relationship is the social consequences that come with it. Remember, she's been hiding her anime/eroge hobby for so long because she yearned to not be shunned by society. So, you'd have to figure that it would be quite difficult for her to dive right into an intimate, incestuous relationship with Kyosuke given the obvious social rejection that comes with it. Which would probably explain why she treats him the way she does. Although it may be something her heart might want, she's been working under the mentality to display only what would be socially acceptable, and incest just...isn't. And THAT'S where the heart of the anime is, imo, or at least...what it all crumbles down to in the long run. Basically, despite all the bull that Kyosuke goes through for her, she still treats him like crap because: 1. Her inner fondness and intimate interest in her brother is her "deep dark secret" that she keeps locked up. And typically speaking, the "best" way to hide it is apparently to act the complete OPPOSITE of said secret. (eg most people who are ashamed to like, let's say, a certain game, will most likely be the harshest bashers of it when the topic is brought up among friends, despite the fact that they're most likely the strongest fans at heart). 2. She's hardly aware of a lot of the crap that Kyosuke does for her. She knows about the incident involving their father, and about patching up her and Ayase's relationship, though remains unaware of the actions he took regarding her anime. And that's not her fault, since it was Kyosuke's choice to not fill her in on that. And so, whenever she feels her brother becoming "too close" to her, she pushes him away due to her fear of social rejection. So basically, in my interpretation, it becomes a battle between her heart and the mentality that she's lived with for so long, and the way that ties into her "hateable personality" is something I actually like. My conclusion? I'm actually a pretty huge fan of Kirino, if you weren't able to deduce that by now. She's actually up in my top 15 list of favorite anime girls (Currently #14 to be exact). She's mean and acts unbelievably bratty on countless occasions, and unfortunately, that can never really be cleared up due to the story not being told through her perspective. So, any of the possible explanations (like the one I provided above) can only be considered mere assumptions. I am 100% aware that it's just MY interpretation; I do not expect that all readers of this post agree with me either. Kirino stands apart from any of the other "tsuntusn"/"b*tch" characters in other anime. Is she more crude/worse off? Maybe so, but the way her despisable personality ties into the plot and other characters, along with interpretations that can possibly clarify her unjust actions makes her different from any of the other "tsuntsun" characters I know, worthy enough for a spot on my top 15 list of favorite anime girls. (After all, how many interpretations exist as to why Haruhi acts so mean and harsh besides "that's just the way she is"?). If it comforts you die-hard Kirino haters at all, she'll likely be the first out of the few who will leave my top 15 list as I'm introduced to newer anime girls, but I highly doubt she'll ever leave the top 20. XP To anyone who's actually bothered to read this to the end, I would like to thank you for taking the time to read my intake on this dispute. Needless to say, I'm psyched for a 2nd season to see more of the craziness of the drama/comedy of this anime~ |
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luffypirate
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So very excited for this. For sure buy. Hopefully Aniplex Inc will add English subtitles to the BDs for those of us that are interested.
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Banken
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Yeah, but that's basically just a framing device and a way to make the show interesting. If she had been a closet cosplayer or GUNPLA-builder it wouldn't have really provided for much drama. I really don't see their relationship as romantic. It's not a particular abnormal sibling relationship either. |
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Again, I agree with your contention. It was a bit of a risky strategy, however, in that the resulting anime could have fallen between two stools. It could have been too mild for that part of the demographic that grooves on siblings bonking each other and too creepy for that part that genuinely is skeeved by territory like that. The sales figures show the strategy did not hurt them, however. |
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Chagen46
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Not exactly...any type of incestous relationship (or even incesteous undertones) creeps the living hell out of me no matter how tame/mild (it's a hold-over from my bible-thumper days), so I can't ever see myself watching this series. The fans over-played the incest parts and it just left a VERY bad impression on me before I tried to watch the show. |
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VORTIA
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I'd describe it more as pervasive sexual tension. Neither one is ready to admit to what they are feeling by the time the anime is over.
It isn't up until the point Kyosuke flies to America because he misses her. I can't think of a single older brother who'd do something like that over their little sister. |
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Oh, it was abnormal long before then. I don't have any sisters myself (although thanks to my 72-year-old father about to marry a 48-year-old woman who has two daughters, 18 and 13-years-old respectively, I guess I'm about to become a long-distance stepbro  ) but there is no way that Kyosuke's indulgence of his sister is anywhere close to "normal."
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Chagen46
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You know, you sound more like you're projecting what you want onto the story than actually stating what was intended.
Just because people WANT it to be an glorification of incest doesn't mean it actually IS one. |
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Why would you feel to the need to make a comment like that about a show you haven't seen a frame of? Do you actually think you have anything of relevance to contribute to this topic if you haven't actually seen the show? Let me assure you that you don't. |
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Westlo
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Not really.. they poorly portrayed Kirino and her perception suffered... this happens a lot in adaptions. Personally I was a Kirino hater until I read that chapter 1 from her perspective... now I like her and from what I'm told by LN readers she was poorly portrayed... it's no surprise that anime only viewers despise her for the most part. |
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VORTIA
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The story that was named "There's No Way My Little Sister is This Cute!?" The story that start's out with her on top of him in bed? The story where Kirino dresses up as a maid for her brother? The story where Kirino is on the twelve step tsundere evolution with her brother? The story where Kyosuke says he's a Siscon towards the end? Somehow, I find that hard to swallow.
All the above is a pretty hardy endorsement, I'd say. |
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Chagen46
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I may not have seen it, but I've heard so much about and read about it, and I'm making an educated guess. If I'm wrong, well shit, I'm wrong. But I'm merely making a passive observation based off of what I know currently.
Welp, this show really is a debase glorification of perversity then. I definitely cannot see myself watching this show ever. |
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