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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:49 pm Reply with quote
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You know, you sound more like you're projecting what you want onto the story than actually stating what was intended.

Just because people WANT it to be an glorification of incest doesn't mean it actually IS one.


Why would you feel to the need to make a comment like that about a show you haven't seen a frame of? Do you actually think you have anything of relevance to contribute to this topic if you haven't actually seen the show? Let me assure you that you don't.


I may not have seen it, but I've heard so much about and read about it, and I'm making an educated guess. If I'm wrong, well shit, I'm wrong. But I'm merely making a passive observation based off of what I know currently.


And I don't see the show as a "glorification" of incest. It's just that I don't think anyone WHO ACTUALLY WATCHES THE SHOW *ahem* can be blind to some of the subtext that's going on.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 12:56 pm Reply with quote
No, it's not. This is no Koi Kaze. While Kirino and Kyousuke may have some sort of attraction to eachother (actually, it's pretty obvious that they do), that does not make it incest. It's not actually that uncommon to go through a phase where one is attracted to a sibling, but again, such a phase is not incestual.

Hell, Nisemonogatari went far, far, far beyond anything the Oreimo anime ever did in terms of incestual behavior.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:42 pm Reply with quote
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I don't have any sisters myself .....but there is no way that Kyosuke's indulgence of his sister is anywhere close to "normal."


Then how would you know?

There's nothing in the anime at least that goes past a believable relationship.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:49 pm Reply with quote
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It isn't up until the point Kyosuke flies to America because he misses her. I can't think of a single older brother who'd do something like that over their little sister.


That's REALLY not that unbelievable.

The Kousaka family doesn't really seem to be that financially strapped for cash, and the US is one of the biggest destinations for Japanese tourists. I haven't seen anything past the anime so I can't say for sure, but how do you know he didn't want to go the America to begin with?

Since we're obviously all anime fans, can you honestly say you wouldn't at least consider visiting a family member living in Japan, especially if you yourself have never been? Because if you wouldn't, you're either very very poor or aren't a very good family member.

Either that or you've never lived overseas or had a family member do so.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:52 pm Reply with quote
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Blood- wrote:
I don't have any sisters myself .....but there is no way that Kyosuke's indulgence of his sister is anywhere close to "normal."


Then how would you know?

There's nothing in the anime at least that goes past a believable relationship.


In your opinion. Considering it's supposed to be a comedy where basically unbelievable things happen spoiler[(i.e. Kirino's LN getting turned into an anime series)], I think it's pretty hard to argue that the show strove really hard to make their sibling relationship "normal."
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:53 pm Reply with quote
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Chagen46 wrote:
You know, you sound more like you're projecting what you want onto the story than actually stating what was intended.


The story that was named "There's No Way My Little Sister is This Cute!?" The story that start's out with her on top of him in bed? The story where Kirino dresses up as a maid for her brother? The story where Kirino is on the twelve step tsundere evolution with her brother? The story where Kyosuke says he's a Siscon towards the end? Somehow, I find that hard to swallow.



Fan pandering.

Also, the use of terminology like 'sis-kon,' 'mother-kon,' 'loli-kon,' etc don't have the same strong connotations in Japan as they do in the US, regardless of their translations.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 6:57 pm Reply with quote
Blood- wrote:
Banken wrote:
Blood- wrote:
I don't have any sisters myself .....but there is no way that Kyosuke's indulgence of his sister is anywhere close to "normal."


Then how would you know?

There's nothing in the anime at least that goes past a believable relationship.


In your opinion. Considering it's supposed to be a comedy where basically unbelievable things happen spoiler[(i.e. Kirino's LN getting turned into an anime series)], I think it's pretty hard to argue that the show strove really hard to make their sibling relationship "normal."


So why is their relationship not normal?
Kirino's job(s) have little effect over her relationship with her sibling.
Unrelated shit is unrelated.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:37 pm Reply with quote
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It isn't up until the point Kyosuke flies to America because he misses her. I can't think of a single older brother who'd do something like that over their little sister.


That's REALLY not that unbelievable.

The Kousaka family doesn't really seem to be that financially strapped for cash, and the US is one of the biggest destinations for Japanese tourists. I haven't seen anything past the anime so I can't say for sure, but how do you know he didn't want to go the America to begin with?


Did he go check out the sites of Los Angeles? See Disneyland? Just come to hang out and see the states? No.

Kyosuke came to America and went directly to where Kirino was staying to beg her to come back home because he missed her so much. Let me clarify this. He missed his little sister so much he was an emotional wreck begging her to come home and be with him. My sister has lived in another state from me for three years. We talk and visit every once in a while, but I don't know any normal older brother who's going to to rush to their sister crying because they haven't co-habitated in a couple of months.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:39 pm Reply with quote
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The story that was named "There's No Way My Little Sister is This Cute!?" The story that start's out with her on top of him in bed? The story where Kirino dresses up as a maid for her brother? The story where Kirino is on the twelve step tsundere evolution with her brother? The story where Kyosuke says he's a Siscon towards the end? Somehow, I find that hard to swallow.



Fan pandering.


Yeah, to fans of the genre! You don't pander to people who aren't watching your show or reading your book. It's an imouto fetish anime! Of course you pander to them!

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Also, the use of terminology like 'sis-kon,' 'mother-kon,' 'loli-kon,' etc don't have the same strong connotations in Japan as they do in the US, regardless of their translations.


Laughing I'm sure you're going to go on to tell me that Lolicon doesn't express a sexual attraction for underage girls, but just a platonic appreciation next.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:08 pm Reply with quote
No, but in America no one ever jokingly says "hahah, you're such a pedophile." People jokingly say lolicon ALL THE TIME here. Pretty much any time you show any sort of affection for young kids.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:12 pm Reply with quote
Blood- wrote:


In your opinion. Considering it's supposed to be a comedy where basically unbelievable things happen spoiler[(i.e. Kirino's LN getting turned into an anime series)], I think it's pretty hard to argue that the show strove really hard to make their sibling relationship "normal."


Not in the original light novel. The entire plot line was pretty unrealistic, but it was an anime-only element. I don't see your point.

Yeah, Kyosuke's impassioned plea was a little over the top, but it wasn't super bizarre by anime standards.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:17 pm Reply with quote
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Did he go check out the sites of Los Angeles? See Disneyland? Just come to hang out and see the states? No.

Kyosuke came to America and went directly to where Kirino was staying to beg her to come back home because he missed her so much. Let me clarify this. He missed his little sister so much he was an emotional wreck begging her to come home and be with him. My sister has lived in another state from me for three years. We talk and visit every once in a while, but I don't know any normal older brother who's going to to rush to their sister crying because they haven't co-habitated in a couple of months.[/quote]

A little weird, yeah, but not entirely unbelievable. Some people are more attached to their siblings than others. Plus, this is anime. Normal realistic human emotions need not apply. They're not dramatic enough to be entertaining. Also, seeing as how the entire show is about a sibling relationship, the plot obviously can't advance very well if one sibling moves out of the country and doesn't come back for close to two years...
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:40 pm Reply with quote
ArsenicSteel wrote:
Blood- wrote:
Banken wrote:
Blood- wrote:
I don't have any sisters myself .....but there is no way that Kyosuke's indulgence of his sister is anywhere close to "normal."


Then how would you know?

There's nothing in the anime at least that goes past a believable relationship.


In your opinion. Considering it's supposed to be a comedy where basically unbelievable things happen spoiler[(i.e. Kirino's LN getting turned into an anime series)], I think it's pretty hard to argue that the show strove really hard to make their sibling relationship "normal."


So why is their relationship not normal?
Kirino's job(s) have little effect over her relationship with her sibling.
Unrelated shit is unrelated.


It's quite simple, really. No normal brother would indulge Kirino to the extent that he does. Naturally, you'll argue the opposite, but so what? I have no faith in your ability to judge what is normal behaviour.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:30 pm Reply with quote
Indulge her how?

Essentially all he's doing from what I've seen is buy porn for her (yeah, weird, but if she had been a little brother instead, it really wouldn't be that unrealistic), hang out with her and her friends, go shopping together, play her video games, cover for her, and give advice.

'Normal' is subjective. For some people this is normal. For others, not seeing their family for years at a time is normal.

Obviously if you're judging it by real life standards instead of fiction standards it's pretty far to one side of the normal scale, but until they start taking baths together it's not really that creepy. And by Japanese standards, even that would only be weird, not headline news.

That said, the whole time I was watching the series I was praying that it didn't cross the line into straight up creepy/squick. And it didn't, to my relief. But it skirts the line somewhat which makes it entertaining.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:18 pm Reply with quote
VORTIA wrote:
Banken wrote:
VORTIA wrote:

It isn't up until the point Kyosuke flies to America because he misses her. I can't think of a single older brother who'd do something like that over their little sister.


That's REALLY not that unbelievable.

The Kousaka family doesn't really seem to be that financially strapped for cash, and the US is one of the biggest destinations for Japanese tourists. I haven't seen anything past the anime so I can't say for sure, but how do you know he didn't want to go the America to begin with?


Did he go check out the sites of Los Angeles? See Disneyland? Just come to hang out and see the states? No.

Kyosuke came to America and went directly to where Kirino was staying to beg her to come back home because he missed her so much. Let me clarify this. He missed his little sister so much he was an emotional wreck begging her to come home and be with him. My sister has lived in another state from me for three years. We talk and visit every once in a while, but I don't know any normal older brother who's going to to rush to their sister crying because they haven't co-habitated in a couple of months.


Also, begging for his little sister to come home when he had a perfectly beyond acceptable girlfriend option. If that doesn't indicate an unhealthy obsession, well I don't know what does!
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