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Veers
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Last edited by Veers on Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:43 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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ArsenicSteel
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Yes stories use logic and if you haven't noticed, fictional stories tend to use both real-world logic and internal logic in order to make both the fictional world and plot work.
An incredibly stupid thing to do when attempting to enjoy fiction. But since you aren't actually trying to enjoy the series not suspending your disbelief allows you to make retarded arguments about what isn't logical.
So long as the author follows the technical guidelines of writing nothing stopping them from using illogical devices in their stories. You seem to be a lot of things whenever some one calls you out on your idiotic claims. |
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Lynx Amali
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That's not Mars of Destruction. I don't see why you have to complain about shows you seemingly hate. Don't like the show, don't post in the thread. Fairly simple concept to grasp. Anyway; Novels > Anime. The anime cut out a lot of Ichika's personality and made him denser than a rock, even worse than a rock. They cut out his monologues from the novels which add to his personality but since they weren't in the anime, yeah. The dub wasn't bad per say. I've heard worse (Looking at you, Getter Robo Armageddon!) but it's definitely not the best either. It's just mediocre. Still erked about Tiffany Grant voicing Laura though. (I can handle Asuka. I barely withstood Thoria. Why is it all my favorite characters end up being voiced by Grant in English? WHY?!) And to be honest, either medium of IS sucks. I've got all the novels to date and the author seems to be jumping all over the place.
If I'm remembering right, there is someone from the USA later on, but do to the fact that the anime didn't cover that much to begin with (what was it? The first book or two?) |
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superdry
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Charlotte picks up on it in the anime in the shopping episode, but it's the only bit we sort of get that maybe Ichika isn't as dense as he is shown to be. |
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Veers
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jl07045
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You imply that Ichika (re)acts as a believable human being instead of a genre archetype. |
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
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This is one of the few times I can actually agree with you on something. However this also proves my point why I am no fan of adaptions when they cut corners like this, I am still mad at J.C. Staff's blunder adapt for dream eater merry but what can you do? |
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RyanSaotome
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I disagree, you're looking at it wrong. So you're saying that an anime should just ruin the story already developed by explaining everything, even though the actual explanation doesn't happen until later in the story? I know that we as American viewers don't have as easy access to the original light novels, but this is an adaption of the light novels... and thus should stay in line with the light novels story wise. These adaptions are often done in a way to get people to read the novels. Messing up the story of the light novel and giving key plot points too early is something JC Staff does, and it totally ruins the adaption if they make sequels. |
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Veers
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Chagen46
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That's the problem with parody: there's a fine line between it and just plain playing the trope straight. |
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dtm42
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RyanSaotome, how old are you? I ask because if you are not yet an adult then I will sigh in exasperation but at least I can hold onto the hope that you will someday understand what a plot hole is and why what happens in the Light Novels has no bearing at all to the Anime. If however you are already an adult then I bid you adieu. And that's about the nicest possible way I can put it.
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RyanSaotome
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I guess not knowing what happened to Lukes father in "A New Hope" is a plot hole in your mind. Since everything HAS to be explained right away. One of the best ways to tell a story is to add suspense by keeping the reader in the dark about certain important plot points. Just asking the studio to make up something just to add to the anime does the franchise a disservice, and like I said, ruins potential sequels since then they might have to retcon the story or not even do sequels since they messed up the story enough in the first anime. Zero no Tsukaima is a great example of a story that ended up making no sense in the anime since JC Staff decided to take liberties with the story instead of adapting the light novel story correctly. Last edited by RyanSaotome on Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:03 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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aereus
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As we've touched on here: The writing in the series isn't great. It's filled with straight tropes, many elements are tossed in for harem hijinks with no explanation. Just accept that it's meant to be fast-food entertainment with no redeeming value.
It touches on my biggest problem with the Light Novel market in Japan: It's the B-Movie industry, or Minor Leagues of authors. There are a handful of intelligently written LNs like Kino's Journey, Spice and Wolf, Maoyuu Maou Yuusha, etc. But most of them are written by people who could never get a real novel published even if their life depended on it. They're unoriginal, overusing standard tropes with no twists. They often have fan-fiction quality self-insert or wish-fulfillment scenarios and lead characters, etc. Anyone could write this drivel, and yet it sells. (Which could be a sad critique of Japan not helping out their NEET population and just ignoring them instead) And that's not to say that all of those things are implicitly bad. Having some fantastical situation that smacks of wish fulfillment and a couple tropes thrown in can be fine. But you have to put in some effort to subvert those tropes or combine some elements into something new if you really want to put your own stamp of uniqueness on something. |
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dtm42
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First of all you didn't answer my question, but whatever. If you're the same guy as on Crunchyroll then the PM I received tells me your age is twenty-six. Groan. Fine, I will not bid ou farewell but continue on. Secondly it seems as if no-one ever told you that A New Hope got a sequel. I should not have to go to the Light Novels or the Manga or play the video games to fill in a plot hole. Using Gundam SEED as an example, I should not have to read a side-Manga to find out how in the Anime series the protagonist Kira Yamato survived a point-black explosion and ended up nearly three hundred thousand kilometres away in a single episode. A televised sequel to a televised series is however fine. If Infinite Stratos got a second season and it was explained why all previous IS pilots were female, then it would stop being a plot hole anymore. |
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
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Again pretty much this also people seem to forget that reading a book is not the same thing as seeing something animated so things can be found less offensive in a book/light novel. This is why I never recommended the umineko anime to anyone since you have to go back to the source material to get what the hell is going on with so man chunks missing. I know the whole thing show don't applies but I think mention one line of text would have been a decent thing to do. |
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