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aisasami
 Posts: 46 Location: Waldorf, Maryland |
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I wish United States schools will teach us more about the WW2 in Asia then in Europe. I feel that I have only given the small scoop in High School. But, I still condemn Japan what they did in WW2 to the rest of Asia and I don't know. Maybe that is because every country can have a big mistake here and there like Russia, China, Germany, and so on. |
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Proman
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No offense, but if you think that things don't get censored in America than you're wrong. For example "Team America: World Police " was cut in order not to receive MPAA's "kiss of death" (NC17 rating). There's a lot of things you don't see or don't hear about (the same is true for any country). However, I do agree that what happened to Hiroshi Motomiya and his manga is awful. It's about time Japan admitted it's war crimes and moved on. I hope that the international attention that was given to this article will help this cause. Last edited by Proman on Fri Oct 15, 2004 6:41 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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luisedgarf
Posts: 675 Location: Guadalajara, Mexico |
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Yeah, I already know that, since the U.S are covering the Japanese imperial family's backs since then. Everybody who knows about the story of Japan knows that the Emperor and not the military ruled the country since the Meiji era. Here in Mexico and many other countries are still believed that the Japanese military ruled the country during WWII |
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jfrog
 Posts: 925 Location: Seattle |
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What? How can a comic book receive an NC-17 rating? Both of the miniseries I'm referring to ("The New Deal" and "Red, White, and Black") were made specifically to be socially relevant at the expense of plot and characterization, so I doubt they were censored in any case. And really I don't think that happens in America anymore, unless it's an old cartoon that's considered to be racist. After all, Howard Zinn's The People's History of the United States is taught as part of the US History courses in many high schools, and you'd probably never get an equivalent book read in Japan.
And yes, we do gloss over many of the less honorable parts of our history, but no one outright denies slavery or the Native American genocide. In fact, if you go outside the mainstream a little bit, you'll find plenty of people who won't shut up about them.
I've met a lot of people who worship Wagner blindly. They're kinda frightening. |
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Cloe
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I agree. I don't ever recall learning about the Japanese invasion of China at all; my WW2 education revolved around the fighting in Europe. I only learned about it in-depth when my friend from Beijing told me. :( He told me that his parents and grandparents have a strong resentment toward Japan, as do many people in China. |
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sinistertaco
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No offense, but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. A comic book doesn't get rated by the Motion Picture Association of America. There is an internal system at Marvel to rate books, with 3 different lines- The "616" Marvel Universe which is by an large appropriate for all readers, the Marvel Knights" line which is a step up in issues tackled, and the "MAX" line which is for adults readers. If I remember correctly, "Red, White, and Black" was a "Knights" title meaning is was had a fair amount of freedom in what it tackled, and there wasn't any obvious censorship. |
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Kagemusha
 Posts: 2783 Location: Boston |
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Tell me about it. But does anyone know just how taboo the subject of the Ainu is? I have hardly ever seen them in manga or anime. In fact, the only thing that deals with them that I can think of is Blade of the Immortal, which has this Ainu chick and her partner/bodyguard who basically go around and murder samurai. |
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jfrog
Posts: 925 Location: Seattle |
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The main character in Dagger of Kamui was Ainu. And Isao Takahata's first film (Adventures of Hols, Prince of the Sun) is based on an Ainu myth, but Toei forced him to change the setting to Norway because they felt that no one would go see it otherwise. Not that it helped any, since the movie was a commercial failure.
From what I've read, the Ainu are pretty much in the same position that Native Americans are. They're often horribly stereotyped, have no land, and are trying to rebuild their culture after years of forced assimilation. But it seems to be a general Japanese attitude to never admit it when you're at fault, so I'd be very surprised if their plight was a hot-button political topic. |
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tekkaman
 Posts: 117 Location: Space Knight HQ |
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That too bad. At least there are some Japanese who are willing to accept what they did in China during WW II.
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enjin2000
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You're wrong.
First, Japanese government admit that Nankin Incident occured in China. See some highschool history textbooks. They refer to the incident. Second, the assemblies were displeased with the fact that Motomiya used false photos and retouched them. I checked them and found it was his error. |
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enjin2000
Posts: 1484 Location: Japan |
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I grew up with textbooks referring to Ainu... It seems that those who talk about Japan critically tend to be unfamiliar with Japanese. |
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enjin2000
Posts: 1484 Location: Japan |
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I'm Japanese and would like to clarify some misunderstanding points here.
1) The Japanese government admit Nankin Incident happened. See the history textbooks in high school if you can read Japanese. They refer to it. 2) Motomiya is claimed that he drew the manga with *false* photos. 3) He and Shueisha admited officially both that they used such photos and that they made them retouched as if real. That's why they decided to stop the serialization. It is not the matter of freedom of speech. The question is, Motomiya distorted some material falsely. It should not be accepted in any civilized country. |
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dormcat
Encyclopedia Editor
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(Sigh) enjin2000, I was expecting you to come forward for some explanation.
The photo Motomiya adapted and somewhat "modified" was from "The Rape of Nanking" written by Iris Chang. I happened to have had the book, but it's at my parent's house right now. Many Japanese historians questioned that photo of a (questionable) Japanese soldier with a Chinese female he raped, pants off. Motomiya's modification made the soldier dressed with regular Japanese Imperial Army uniform, which is one of several doubtful issues of that photo. Here's a site comparing the original photo and after Motomiya's touch. WARNING!! THIS LINK CONTAINS EXTREMELY DISTURBING PHOTO (FEMALE EXPLOITATION AND POSSIBLE RAPING). DO NOT CLICK IF YOU WOULD FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE. However, IMHO having that photo or not would not change the feelings of protesters. That photo and his modification simply were Motomiya's Achilles' heel. Last edited by dormcat on Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:39 am; edited 1 time in total |
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GATSU
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mizu:
Not really. There are still a lot of people who deny the Holocaust too. The fact that the current generation of Japanese kids seems to be getting along better with Chinese and Koreans than their grandparents is pure luck, really. Although I was pretty surprised at the L.A. screening, when Takahata openly admitted Japan's responsibility in the war by invading China. I knew at least one Korean reviewer on IMDB who was upset about Grave of the Fireflies, because he felt it sugar-coated what the Japanese did to his people. And I was actually going to ask Takahata about that, before he spoke out. abunai:
Yep. No matter what happens after the elections, Bush will get off scot free like Nixon. tropic:
Him honoring war criminals did piss me off. Although one of the Japanese politicians suggesting that Japan build nukes, because Bush is screwing up with N. Korea is what really bothers me. Plus, apparently, Japanese kids don't know an effing thing about Hiroshima. (http://www.wagingpeace.org/articles/2003/05/29_french_teaching-youth.htm) And much more at http://news.bostonherald.com/international/view.bg?articleid=48277. (No offensive photos in my link, but the worded description of one the Hiroshima survivors might be a little bit graphic.) jfrog:
Actually, when people bring up that we sold weapons to Saddam, conservatives say that it was really France and Russia. dormcat:
From what I hear, today's Germans are blaming everything on Hitler, instead of taking collective responsibility. At least based on articles in regard to the "Hitler wasn't so bad, he's just like everyone else" flick, The Downfall... |
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enjin2000
Posts: 1484 Location: Japan |
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I suspect that assemblies did not action if Motomiya did not use and modify them. Frankly, I doubt the number of 300,000 casualities, too. |
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