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JaffaOrange
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There comes a point where the protagonist has to lead a bunch of people to safety. It's hard to be gunning for the main character to succeed when you end up hating the people he's supposed to save. |
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CrowLia
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I watched up to episode 11, or rather forced myself to sit through it just because of fabulous Gai spoiler[and then he died] but I couldn't stand that ridiculously over-the-top apocalyptic battle, the stupid villains that were just super mean 'I'll destroy the world just for the heck of it'-kind and particularly the incredibly lame protagonist so I quitted. But I read summaries of episode 12 and 22 and both seemed the exact same to me, did anyone who actually watched it feel like that or am I just misguided?
From what I read here, the show doesn't ever get any better, but I read somewhere that there's some plot twist in spoiler[episode 15] that makes it better? I hate to drop series, so I want to know if it's worth watching the rest for the sake of my completionism or if I should just forget about it (judging by the review and the comments, it'd seem the latter) |
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Mr. Toto
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The three issues that you have with the series (the over-the-top battle, the villains with shallow motivations, and the weak minded/self-absorbed/self-victimizing protagonist) are never rectified. These traits remain a constant of the series. So perhaps it's not the show for you. I think that the best way to describe this show (at least, in my opinion) is "disappointing." The premise might have had potential, but the execution is what is most disappointing of all. |
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Xanas
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I liked it, agree with the plot rating for Arisa and various other weird inconsistencies. I think an overall grade of B is pretty good all things considered. The show may disappoint in some ways for many who can't stand "weak leads," but I am not the biggest fan of bittersweet endings and hope they do something more with this in whatever way they can manage.
I identify better with the weak leads so I think they are fine personally. I didn't feel that most of them acted out poorly, with the exception of Arisa and Gai. They really don't do a good job of explaining their motivations without resorting to silly background. It could have been a lot better but with the production values, music, animation, etc. I still think it was worth watching. I loved Mass Effect 3 overall, and the ending of that was much worse than this show. |
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UtenaAnthy
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I hope Production I.G.'s next technical-A-game series is better than this apparently was, I'm still a little peeved at them for the sub-par job they did with XXXHolic (I can't remember how to capitalise it correctly). I haven't seen Guilty Crown, so I'm not claiming that I have an informed opinion, but my reasons for not wanting to see it are that pretty much everyone says it was rubbish. I might see if it's up streaming for free legally in the u.k. so I can give it a chance, but I don't want to waste my time.
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pokefreaks
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Even though the plot is a mess (As If I really need to mention about it), the show is also at least "B" or "B-" for me just because of the production value, animation and some fight scenes plus some enjoyable mid episodes. I also find it funny how the series can get ridiculous and random at several points.
Another complaint I have is the lack of interesting mecha design. The action scenes would be more enjoyable if they can come up with more interesting mecha design. It would also help them for merchandising instead of only selling Inori figures since people who enjoy shows like Full Metal Panic, Macross, Code Geass & Aquarion series love to buy figures and model kits for both characters and mecha. |
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walw6pK4Alo
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How they handled the mecha was one of the few things I actually appreciated in this series. There was no Gundamesque arms race of better and faster machines, eventually leading to flying and PEW PEW lazors like Code Geass R2, and I liked that they were remotely piloted instead of putting a valuable pilot directly in harms way. They were the next step in drone combat, and they were rightly treated like tools of war, and not like they have their own consciousness and will like Gundam tends to impart on their robots. It's a shame that outlook and execution had to be wasted on such a terrible script. |
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nightjuan
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You know, I can't really agree with that being an improvement, especially with the mostly unnecessary transmission of feedback/damage back to the pilot. You could argue the general concept behind the mecha works fine, at least with some generous suspension of disbelief, but I'd say the real problem was the shortage of interesting battle sequences...or, for that matter, the noticeable absence of mecha combat in general. Most of the time, the robots were just blown up or cut to pieces by Shu's various Voids. The whole "tools of war" angle, which I'd argue has been done better elsewhere (yes, even in a number of Gundam series, regardless of the different upgrades and power-ups), doesn't really work if the "war" consists of having a superpowered human jump through the air and beat them all up. That was the rule in Guilty Crown, aside from perhaps a couple of true "mecha vs. mecha" fights. |
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Sam Murai
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Can't say how much input Araki had with the writing, but that aspect of the show was easily the biggest detriment to GUILTY CROWN. Everything else about the production was fine, especially the score and character designs, but Yoshino's writing was consistently uninspired and inept. Araki's visual flare was only able to cover up the stink but so much. The ending could've saved it, too, but it was lemming-esque in its complete failure. The messiness of the plotting and development killed whatever potential it had (and some reasonably good twists and occasional upticks in quality) and GC became a real sorry waste of talent, instead.
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Dan42
Chief Encyclopedist
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Wow, I'm surprised to see so much hate for this show. I rather liked it. It had its weaknesses, to be sure. In particular I was annoyed by the resurrection and 180° personality turn of you-know-who. That one seemed particularly pulled out of someone's ass. But overall the series was very enjoyable and managed to hit some very effective emotional notes.
As for misanthropy... I don't think it's misanthropic to recognize that human beings can and regularly do turn on each other in very ugly ways, especially under stressful circumstances. Rather, it's naive to expect the opposite. |
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jr240483
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Well i can see this series having some potential. We'll have too see when it comes to the US.
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Polycell
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But it is in the US - Funimation has the subtitled version streaming from their site(though if you're the least bit intolerant of the written name order not matching the spoken, you'll probably be driven to fansubs - this series says "Ohma Shu" more often than an unlucky Scottish leprechaun). If you mean a home video release, from what I've seen, I don't think there's much a dub could do to help(unless it's liberal enough to axe most of Shu's whining).
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DanDood666
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I feel like maybe the only person who really loved this series :V
People go on and on about how much of a weak protagonist Shu is, yet I find it really easy to compare his character to that of Shinji Ikari from Neon Genesis Evangelion. Both characters have been thrown into a situation that they had no previous concerns about and have legitimate reasons to react the way they do. I see no difference in how Shu spoiler[reacted after killing Yahiro's brother] to when Shinji spoiler[ horrifically injured Toji at the hands of the Dummy System ]. I think Guilty Crown took a lot of risks regarding the way it was produced, but for me as a viewer, I actually gave a crap about the characters, I found the plot interesting and I literally could not stop watching it from start to finish. |
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Polycell
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Chagen46
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I really have no idea why everyone thinks Shinji was a whiny bitch.
Like you wouldn't be depressed/angsty if spoiler[your dad who you despise forces you to fight lovecraftian horrors to save the world in a giant robot which has the soul of your dead mother that may or may not be powered by your own mental problems]. spoiler[Well, Shinji did f*ck the entirety of humanity over in the end of the series, but oh well.] Shinji actually has reasonable things to bitch about. From what I've heard, Shu doesn't. |
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