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NEWS: Sweden's Supreme Court Holds Trial for Translator's Child Pornography Charges


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UtenaAnthy



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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 6:43 am Reply with quote
faintsmile1992 wrote:
Banken wrote:
Cecilthedarkknight_234 wrote:
Fletcher1991 wrote:
He's still a weirdo for looking at lolicon hentai porn, and maybe he should go see a psychiatrist, but I don't think he should be convicted for criminal charges unless he actually committed an act against a child.


I don't really see why since the legal age of consent in Sweden in 15 and most people think lolis are this age >_>
http://www.ageofconsent.com/sweden.htm


It's 16 in Japan and most of America (including the military), but that doesn't mean you won't get fired/ostracized for 'dating' a 16 year-old.
Something that would have been legal throughout history just about anywheres, think of 40 year old kings marrying 15 year old princesses. Nowadays 18yos can get sent down for shagging 15 year olds, but fags can get married so we have 'sexual freedom' lolololol.

But anyway isn't a true loli aged under 13 (Japan's age of consent) anyway?


People being able to have consensual sex with others of the same gender and/or sex is a vitally important part of sexual freedom, and don't call them fags, it is heterosexist. I am bisexual, agender and female bodied, and I think it's despicable that there are teenage boys who are in prison and on the sex offenders register for having sex with their moderately younger girlfriend. And I oppose laws against drawn porn.

To the poster above me:

The other issue I have with the "grooming" argument (I'm not saying grooming doesn't exist, rather talking about it being used as an argument against lolicon/hentai), is that from what I've heard on the subject, one can use any pornographic material to groom a child, including porn featuring only adults having sex that is consensual and portrayed as such. As others have said, the argument is very much in line with that used by religious conservatives and certain feminists against the existence of pornography itself, even though there is no evidence to show that porn causes rape by being a bad influence on the viewer (of course, some pornography actually shows people really being raped/sexually assaulted/sexually harassed, and that pornography should be illegal, I'm not talking about porn that shows people pretending that the consensual sex they're having is rape, I'm talking about when what is occurring is actually non-consensual).

EDIT: Oh, and also I don't care that it was legal throughout history for 15 year old girls to be married off to some dude more than twice their age, those girls were viewed as property and their husband could rape them if he wanted to and they didn't have a choice over whether to have children, that is a terrible, deeply misogynistic and discriminatory model for relationships and marriage.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 11:29 pm Reply with quote
Courtesy of Kentaro Miura (author of Berserk).

http://i.imgur.com/WAUQk.jpg

Wow, look at Canada. Shocked
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 12:28 am Reply with quote
I was under the impression that it is difficult to assess sexual assault, amongst other things like domestic violence, due to something of an enhanced reluctance on the part of Japanese to report it.
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 12:50 am Reply with quote
dormcat wrote:
Courtesy of Kentaro Miura (author of Berserk).

http://i.imgur.com/WAUQk.jpg

Wow, look at Canada. Shocked


Ok, I'm very curious as to what that is about, but not being able to read Japanese I can't really tell. Looks interesting though.
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 10:22 am Reply with quote
Mad_Scientist wrote:
Ok, I'm very curious as to what that is about, but not being able to read Japanese I can't really tell. Looks interesting though.


Basically, it shows japanese real little girls being protected from pedos by fictional little girls exhausting their libido.
The first defense line is loli characters from all age mangas and anime (can someone identify them? I see Strike Witches, Bakemonogatari, Zero no Tsukaima, K-On, maybe Precure, To Love ru), the second defense line is loli characters from hentai.

Then there are the occidental pedos who are going straight for real little girls, with only outnumbered cops to protect them.

The occidental pedo says something like "Wow, so in japan, you can satisfy your lust without hurting anyone? I wish I were born there".
The japanese pedo replies "Yeah, and in our country, the rate of sexual crimes against minors is lower than in all the G8 countries where even the possession of CP is a crime"!

Althought this little cartoon is funny, there are some things that should be pointed.

Like dewlwieldthedarpachief pointed, the lower crime rate in Japan can be partly explained by the fact that less crimes are reported. Also I have read somewhere that what qualifies as "sexual crime" in USA will not always be qualified as "sexual crime" in Japan.
Still, the gap in the numbers is so huge that I doubt it can be explained only by "crimes not being reported" or "different definition of sexual crime".

Also, Miura forgot to point the last and most important defense line, existing in all countries: one's own morality and consciousness how what's wrong.


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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 10:29 am Reply with quote
dormcat wrote:
Guess the reporter had read too much Takao Saeki. Rolling Eyes

That's the artist with a thing about flushed faces, right?

Banden wrote:
Among which I would have to number Mr. Jonathan Clements, apparently. I'm very curious though... Is there any particular reason why you choose to quote his definition of "grooming", among all others... he being a biographer of Confucius and anime and Japanese Dorama encyclopedist... as if his is any kind of authoritative word on the subject? As far as I can tell, his apprehensions about presumed "pedophiles" (hentai manga consumers) enticing children with it is no more informed or persuasive than the religious right and the anti-sex feminists' apprehensions were about Playboy.

Having worked on titles like Urotsukidoji, the original video nasty, he's ended up with an unasked for role as the UK's animeporn expert.
Jonathan Clements wrote:
"You do realize," I began hesitantly, "and I did tell you on the phone, that manga is not just porn. It is kids' stories, and adventures, and thrillers, romance and drama, science fiction and detective stories-" But she cut me off with an upraised hand.
"By the way," she said, just as the light went from happy green to ON-AIR red, "we've had to drop a few of the questions. It was kind of boring. Instead we're going to talk about changes in Japanese porn legislation."
And with that, I was in the line of fire. Lured on-air to talk about the Japanese comics that I love, and, once more, forced to become a spokesman for and defender of an entire nation's erotica.
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 11:53 am Reply with quote
Mad_Scientist wrote:
Ok, I'm very curious as to what that is about, but not being able to read Japanese I can't really tell. Looks interesting though.

Japan:
1st line of defense against pedophiles: fictional children in non-hentai works a.k.a. "buffer zone" (laugh)
2nd line of defense against pedophiles: fictional children in hentai works a.k.a. "kill zone"
Behind the 2nd line: the real children.

Countries outside Japan: pedophiles run straight to real children, only to be killed by armed police.

Six out of eight G8 industrial countries have laws against fictional child porn (marked with asterisks). The bar graph represents rape cases for every 100,000 population in G8, from top to bottom: Canada*, USA*, UK*, France*, Germany*, Russia, Italy*, and Japan.

See how many characters in those two lines of defense you can identify. Wink

Shiroi Hane wrote:
That's the artist with a thing about flushed faces, right?

Eh, excuse me, but I have no idea what you were talking about, nor could I see Saeki has anything to do with red faces.
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 12:11 pm Reply with quote
dormcat wrote:
See how many characters in those two lines of defense you can identify. Wink
I don't know whether you meant that rhetorically, but I can't resist me a challenge. From bottom to top: two girls from K-ON!(I can only name Asuza), don't recognize her, some girl from Strike Witches, What's-her-face Rin and Hatsune Miku, Kagami and Konata from Lucky Star, Louise and so on and so forth from Familiar of Zero, three girls I can't place, a girl I'm pretty sure's from Nisenmonogatari, a girl from Touhou, Rin from Kodomo no Jikan and some legs I can't identify. I can seriously say I can't place any of the girls from the second line, though one does look a bit like Cure Dream(it's mostly the hair).
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 5:48 pm Reply with quote
Shiroi Hane wrote:
Having worked on titles like Urotsukidoji, the original video nasty, he's ended up with an unasked for role as the UK's animeporn expert.

While he's a good writer and has being writing about and translating anime and manga for a couple of decades now, him being asked by the media on several occasions about erotica in Japanese media, DOES NOT make him any more of sociologist, psychologist, criminal profiler etc., or a specialist who's main area of study is the link between sexual crime and pornography in Japan, than you or I. If you want to quote an expert in that field, Milton Diamond is your man.
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 5:53 pm Reply with quote
dormcat wrote:
See how many characters in those two lines of defense you can identify. Wink


Sexy Beautiful Detective Girls : Mami and Ami!

Defending real little girls from lustful feelings. How honorable.
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2012 6:01 pm Reply with quote
Polycell wrote:
I can seriously say I can't place any of the girls from the second line, though one does look a bit like Cure Dream(it's mostly the hair).

Only ones I recognize right away are four from Koihime Musou: Chouhi, Shokatsuryou, Houtou, and Sonshoukou.
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PostPosted: Sun May 20, 2012 12:04 am Reply with quote
Greboruri wrote:
While he's a good writer and has being writing about and translating anime and manga for a couple of decades now, him being asked by the media on several occasions about erotica in Japanese media, DOES NOT make him any more of sociologist, psychologist, criminal profiler etc., or a specialist who's main area of study is the link between sexual crime and pornography in Japan, than you or I. If you want to quote an expert in that field, Milton Diamond is your man.

Reminding me the Taiwanese translator of The Lord of the Rings, who self-proclaimed himself "God of Otakudom" and media buys it, asking him opinions on not just about any part of otakudom, but also ALL types of social issues. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 5:02 pm Reply with quote
EmperorBrandon wrote:
Polycell wrote:
I can seriously say I can't place any of the girls from the second line, though one does look a bit like Cure Dream(it's mostly the hair).

Only ones I recognize right away are four from Koihime Musou: Chouhi, Shokatsuryou, Houtou, and Sonshoukou.

I recognised RinRin and the girl with the loopy pink hair from the Koihime Musou anime, and I think that is Al-Azif from Demonbane on the left. The maid uniforms seem Touhou-ish, but I'm not sure that counts as a "Hentai work".
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:05 pm Reply with quote
Polycell wrote:
dormcat wrote:
See how many characters in those two lines of defense you can identify. Wink
I don't know whether you meant that rhetorically, but I can't resist me a challenge. From bottom to top: two girls from K-ON!(I can only name Asuza), don't recognize her, some girl from Strike Witches, What's-her-face Rin and Hatsune Miku, Kagami and Konata from Lucky Star, Louise and so on and so forth from Familiar of Zero, three girls I can't place, a girl I'm pretty sure's from Nisenmonogatari, a girl from Touhou, Rin from Kodomo no Jikan and some legs I can't identify. I can seriously say I can't place any of the girls from the second line, though one does look a bit like Cure Dream(it's mostly the hair).


The bolded one (1st row, 3rd from left) would be Golden Darkness from To-Love Ru. And I'm thinking the doughnut-braided one in the second line is one of the Koihime Musou girls, though the name escapes me. The Touhou girl may be Cirno, and my guess is that the one with the animal ears and tail in the second line is from the erogame Wanko to Kurasou.

Caiman: The last line has been breached!
General: These guys are crazy. DANG, deploy it now!
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EB already named the Koihime Musou girls. The loopy pink haired one is.. Sonshoukou.
I don't know much about Touhou but I have absorbed a few things by osmosis. I'm certain neither of them is Cirno - I think the one on the right is Marisa.
I was wondering about Pure Pure or Wanko to Lily for the inumimi girl, but the ears don't seem right for Izumi Sakurazawa.
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