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GATSU
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Though when it comes to most of his titles, he hasn't really succeeded in pleasing either side.
That depends on the anime. OP actually makes a profit for FUNi, compared to 4Kids. And it got less exposure under Gen than Kahn. And Kite uncensored was at least lucrative enough for MB to fund a sequel. Also, would the Speed Racer movie have even made its money back, if it suffered the same lack of respect for the source material as DB?
I think they do more often than many companies, anyway. 
Maybe that's because companies aren't always willing to finish a series, even when fans compromise on edited versions? [*cough* Kodocha *cough*]
That's not exactly right. No uncensored adult human genitalia. Helen McCarthy wrote a book on it.
So why'd you eventually sell I"s unedited again? If you think that stuff takes away the fans' clout, then why was CMX forced to fool customers into thinking that it was releasing Tenjo Tenghe unedited?
That's weird, because Del Rey was awfully quick to release Negima uncensored, when it could easily have gone the no-nipple route of your company...
Why modern feminism continues to be dumb, ill-informed, and full of it. Oh, and wasn't that person posing in front of that Arab/Muslim human pyramid also a woman?
Um, race has nothing to do with it. [Omitted, due to being stupid and lengthy existential bs which has little to do with the topic.]
I just googled one now. Last edited by GATSU on Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:32 am; edited 8 times in total |
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dormcat
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Something's wrong with formatting. Columns at right, as well as text within it, are moved to the bottom of the page.
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Zac
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Saw that myself, we're working on it. Sorry for any inconvenience, bear with us until the problem is fixed. |
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Zippydsm
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Media/fiction is not by which man degrades. Man degrades by his own drives and self interests, the media he consumes is simply fodder for the mind just as fast food is fodder food for the day.
And if you are offened by by use of male overtone in the above sentence you need help, its easy to see I mean humanity in its eternity. It is a obscene over simplification to say media changes a persons view of the world, as I said in my last posts to the other thread its the harsh realities of life that change us not mere fiction that amuses us. Its much easier for the wooly masses who are to busy with the day to day activities of life to write off people in groups to ban reason and logic because they simply feel more protected being told what to do than truly having to think for themselves. Its this kind of modern society that crates fou children from adults we need to to be very wary of, society has its norms but they can be slighted for perpouses of media if you can find a publisher willing to sell it. And in the end that's what a industry dose go to where the money is thus why you have more heavily censored anime as they need something to drive DVD sales, as why the game industry has went into full casual "disposable media" gaming its where the profits are even if they can not sustain the rate of development costs in the future...they will not change until they are forced to, at least in part nintendo sees the writing on teh wall and is trying to keep dev costs down...but I guess this is a rant for another day... Edit-more..why for....damn writing bug...thats why..... Censorship is societies way of qualming silly fears of the placated masses, its also used to keep sheep dull and placid. In the modern world you can see rumbling's of the later as high society tries to make general society look better with more restrictions placed upon it. As long as there is some balance things will work out, but when you you use vagueness or rather obscenity of thought in law you wind up with bans on make believe things and that tends to erode society more than the open mindedness needed to evolve it or at least make it a society of non busy body adults... I'm in idiot savant mode, sorry for the inconvenience.*bows* |
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TV Dinner
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"Also, books are the purview of women" - Casey
Um, what? Was that comment intended to be ironic? Also-Zippy, I don't think that they meant to imply that ALL pedophiles/rapists/etc. are white males, simply that the stereotype exists. Citing a single contrary example doesn't necessarily mean that people don't classify others in a certain way. |
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Zippydsm
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Merely making a point of mis generalities, one can say as a whole people tend to focus on their life and thus don't think to much beyond it, which is a reasonable train of thought, it dose not make the great masses bad or evil but merely human. When it comes to stereotyping smaller bodies of humanity using generalities tends to fail. Modern Society has a tenuous grasp of fact and truth(I should know as I have a tenuous grasp of reality.....lol...) anyway more often than not society will blame a group or a marginalized act like hunting/weapon ownership, heavy book reading, free thinking, and gloss over the realities of the issues and merely focus on the random circumstances to create laws for everyone. Banning only leads to a larger black market and the ease of criminals to gain the items to push,sell or use in crime, it would not take much after stringent rules are placed on visual mediums that other mediums will follow because moralist out cry is never ending. It took massive deaths and the creation of the modern mobster for the US to realize that booze is not that bad, how many have fallen under the drug cartels when shall we learn that drugs are no different that people will seek them out that you can not with strain humanity down without their being a price. A shift from a war on drugs to a war on addiction would relive the US of so much ineptitude...and pukerassness(up tightness). Ack I am rambling again.... |
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TV Dinner
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Fair Enough. |
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Princess_Irene
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I don't think this is really a fair statement. Look at some of the current series marketed towards a middle grade audience. Suzanne Collins' "Gregor" series has some very gruesome depictions of war with characters dying, spurting blood, and even a very upsetting "gas chamber" scene. (It's anthropomorphic mice in a volcano crater, but the intent is the same in context, hence the quotation marks.) James Patterson's "Maximum Ride" series is chock full of death, bloodshed, and general horror. Interestingly enough, that series has moved from the middle grade to the young adult section, and Yen Press gives the manhwa version a "teen" rating. However, my local Borders stocked it younger for the first few volumes. I think the statement is much truer for graphic media - the only thing I've seen with an "E" rating lately is Land of the Blindfolded (though I'm sure there're others), and that ran in a middle grade magazine, while series that were geared at children - like most of the "Shonen Jump" line - get "Teen" or "Older Teen" ratings. You see it in American graphic novels as well - The Invention of Hugo Cabret by Brian Selznick floats between YA and middle grade for scary images of Hugo being chased by the police, while Jeff Kinney's Diary of a Wimpy Kid with its stick figures remains firmly in middle (or elementary) grade range, despite clear depictions of bullying. I apologize for not being able to bring film into this - I'm a print girl myself. |
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The Human Spider
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I was extremely disappointed when the print version of BEAUTY LABYRINTH OF RAZORS was cancelled(I hate e-books.) Nice to see all of Maruo's English books get mentioned--we need more Maruo in English.
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Eh, I think censorship is a dirty, very emotionally evocative word. If you ask anyone if they approve of or "like" censorship, most people from all areas of the political and ideological spectrum will say they don't-- censorship is so politically incorrect! It's a gut reaction to call censorship. But in reality, most people actually approve of censorship in some aspect or another-- the idea that it isn't free speech to call fire in a crowded theater, that indecent public exposure is generally bad, and that public school teachers shouldn't try to instill their religions in their students, etc. So I think the decision to discuss this case as a general disapproval of "censorship" is a little bit of a cheap low blow, as if to say that anyone who would disagree ever so slightly with this opinion is certainly a bit of a close-minded fascist.
That said, as much as I really can't stand lolicon or BL, the PROTECT Act is just way too vague. It's dangerous. But as terrible as it sounds, I DO believe in censorship of these kinds of things-- they should absolutely not be placed prominently in book stores, unshrinkwrapped, explicit cover visible, unlabelled for inappropriate content, and easily accessed right next to children's manga. If a kid gets access to that in such a situation, it may not be the "parent's fault" as we often like to blame. |
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Princess_Irene
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While I agree with you - particularly about the shrinkwrapped titles, which are often unwrapped at Borders (and there are few things creepier than watching middle aged men stand and stare at Luv Luv titles while kids around them binge on Naruto), I think the idea of what needs to be censored is difficult to assess. Does anyone remember Betty Miles' 1980 novel Maudie, Me, and the Dirty Book? If memory serves, it's about two girls who run into censorship about a picture book about puppies being born. The school deems it pornographic. Should such a book be shrinkwrapped? After all, it discusses sex and portrays female genitals. Then there's Leslea Newman's picture book Heather Has Two Mommies, one of the most frequently banned books from schools and libraries. It tells the story of a little girl with lesbian parents. Should all BL and yuri titles be banned as well? After all, they're much more explicit than Heather playing with her puppy. It really is a very subjective issue. |
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errantrogue
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Yes, because its the creepy, middle-aged men who unshrink... B-freakin-S... And you're seriously judging LuvLuv to be what creepy, middle-aged men would go for? On top of defending Naruto aisleblockers? Wow...
To the authors, great article this week ladies (and gentleman). |
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Princess_Irene
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I'm hardly defending them or saying that that's the typical reading for middle-aged men - I'm just mentioning what I've observed in my local bookstore. My point actually had nothing to do with that section of my post. That was just for context. I'm glad middle-aged guys where you live have other things to peruse, and I'm sorry that you have enough "Naruto aisleblockers" to be a problem. |
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Thank you for defining what kind of censorship you consider publishers using. I did not see a difference made between Law/Govt. censorship and the market choices of publishers in the first part of this discussion. I was eagerly awaiting Part 2 so I could see if this would be clarified. Is it really fair to say what Publishers do is censorship? Publishers have to pay money to publish material. They have to make money on their investment. If they are not going to make enough money to make their investment worthwhile, and they decide not to publish based on their return for investment, is that censorship? Are they making an active decision to prevent people from seeing the material on moral grounds or just responding to the market? I don't think that publishers are moral creatures who make moral decisions on behalf of humanity, just business entities who wish to make money by bringing material to the market. If the market (i.e. the public) is who publishers use for information to make their licensing decisions then it is the market who determines what is widely sold in bookstores. This isn't censorship, it's business. Please note that I am not talking about Governmental or Constitutional isuses, just addressing Business in this case. 
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ArthurFrDent
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Gatsu, one thing you may note about the lady in the obscenity suit you listed, is that lady is really getting probation and house confinement, while a man doing the same would have seen hard time, as Handley might. IMHO what was being pointed out was not that white guys have some predisposition to doing anything, but that they are being disproportionately targeted primarily because of preconcieved notions about them. The stereotype involved is limited rather than being broad... as mentioned there are plenty of female yaoi-ophiles out there who very few would look twice at, that might have the identical collection that Handley has. people figure they are not the kind of people who might have darker intentions, right or wrong. YMMV
ETA: Casey and Bamboo: You might want to look at what is called "Libel Tourism" for the info about being sued in a UK court... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libel_tourism Last edited by ArthurFrDent on Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:35 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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