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dandelion_rose
Posts: 657 Location: Kuala Lumpur |
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And Ghost Sweeper Mikami was really popular when I was growing up. I also mentioned Miyuki-chan in Wonderland a while back, I'm not sure if anyone caught that. I really wonder too, if anyone's really reading what I'm actually typing, and if they're not just cherry picking what I'm saying? My issue has never been sexuality -- how many times do I have to say that I like Kite? -- it's the fact that the anime industry, fandom and pretty much everything about anime is linked to cutesy fetish fodder, at the expense of a lot of other stuff that used to be able to exist quite reasonably well in a much more varied economy. (There's also the fact that the character designs of women back then looked more like women and is not linked to a large subculture of men having problems relating to flesh-and-blood women, and thus less disturbing to me.) Some people are trying to create an argument I never made, where my issue with plenty of anime now is sexuality. It really, really isn't sexuality. |
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Fencedude5609
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I part ways with you on these points. The industry has changed. Its not the same now as it was 5 years ago, 10, 15, 20 years ago, or how it will be 5, 10, 15, 20 years from now. You don't like the current trend in character designs and fetishes. Well, ok? You are using that to make the same broad, sweeping generalizations that others are making, except now its about things that don't fit your taste. Also, you are wrong. I can name plenty of shows airing right now that don't fit into those molds, and its not my fault you aren't looking for them, or are just willfully ignoring their existence. |
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dandelion_rose
Posts: 657 Location: Kuala Lumpur |
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I agree. The industry has changed, and that has also changed my consumption pattern a lot. This is why I said I'll just wait for a few years and see if anything that really catches my attention. I don't mind being a late fan. (And since it really is tough to get non-pirated goods where I am, I'm also trying to learn Japanese, because I'd rather import something I may like directly rather than feed the Triads. That is a process that takes time, and which I don't mind taking.) I'm not expecting everything to go back to 1999 -- that's insanity. But that's not to say that I have to like everything in 2012. I haven't made any generalizations. Do I think that all moe / loli enthusiasts are creeps, paedophiles, etc.? No. Plenty of people are into that stuff and they're all regular blokes. Do I still find the trends or character designs disturbing? Yes. And I can say that it does affect my ability to enjoy a story a lot. I'm not wilfully ignoring their existence, and I'm not saying it's your fault. In fact, part of the reason why I read ANN and the forums a lot is to look out for new stuff that I may like. It's also not my fault that I haven't really found anything I really liked, despite giving a number of newer offerings a try, except Madoka Magica. To use the 'other media' analogy -- if I think music these days is saturated with auto-tuned porn chic and my tastes lean otherwise, I have to hunt a bit to find stuff that isn't. Eventually I can, but it's not as prominent, and sometimes it doesn't have the same prominence it used to have because of the dominance of some other things. If you check out rock band fandoms and rock fans, you'll find that they probably won't have a lot of nice things to say about Rihanna and David Guetta. |
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Nephtis
Posts: 138 Location: Australia |
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That'd be the Australian Government. Also - Space Jam. Epic blast from the past. |
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Mohawk52
Posts: 8202 Location: England, UK |
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RyanSaotome
Posts: 4210 Location: Towson, Maryland |
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Uh, you were saying it was about a little girl giving her teacher a blowjob. You deserve what Fencedude is saying since you're making stuff up about a series you don't know anything about to make it sound worse. |
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Mohawk52
Posts: 8202 Location: England, UK |
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Cecilthedarkknight_234
Posts: 3820 Location: Louisville, KY |
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oh you mean basically what goes in modern day japan now anyways. I don't have the study on hand but most girls loose their virginity by the time they are 12-15 in japan. ..Don't really have much else to add at this time so I will just go lurk. |
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Fencedude5609
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You are still wrong though. One of the major points about KnJ, hell, THE major point, is that Rin is seriously screwed up. And so are her friends, but especially Rin. Her actions and her family situation are not portrayed as being "good" things. |
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Ojamajo LimePie
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Are you watching Space Brothers? You should be. |
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Mohawk52
Posts: 8202 Location: England, UK |
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Whatever. |
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jl07045
Posts: 1527 Location: Riga, Latvia |
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And that would be very good if KnJ wouldn't be presented as an ecchi comedy for half the time. Few outside the whole moe fandom will take that thing as anything else than pedo crap. |
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jymmy
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That's because it's an ecchi comedy series. Like most series, it can switch between entertaining and serious.
They don't have to. It's targeted towards lolicon fans, and if you can't enjoy the fanservice, you're outside the target audience. Alternatively, if you can get past it, or just not care, you can also enjoy the series. |
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dandelion_rose
Posts: 657 Location: Kuala Lumpur |
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I've heard this about KnJ before, but I'm not sure how that's supposed to be seen as a redeeming value if you're not a lolicon fan. The main premise and appeal of the show is that it is this oversexed kid who has the hots for some dude, presumably a stand-in for the viewer. I have a big issue with stories that thrive on the very thing that they seemingly condemn, as if by condemning it they're free from the charge of exploiting it. It's a big reason why I can't get into Gunslinger Girl, which is regarded by many as a really good show and aimed outside of niche fetish audiences. The main premise of it is that the girls are disturbed and that they have disturbing relationships with their handlers (or whoever it is those guys who are their guardians are) and we're supposed to condemn that disturbing-ness, but all the appeal of Gunslinger Girl is 'look look, little assassin girls with guns, aren't they cool / cute'. |
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jymmy
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I've never heard Gunslinger Girl discussed before but when I watched it my reaction was more "They're so cute but so sad... " and that it was a shame that their childhoods had been stolen and stuff. And while the setup of the fratello unit was disturbing, it's still sweet that some of the nicer guys have let it work for the girls emotionally. That said, I haven't seen the second series yet and I've heard it's supposed to focus more on action for whatever reason. But I saw them as more "admirable yet tragic" than "cute and cool". |
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