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A grand total of 1 character was called into question. I could easily list another 12.

animehermit wrote:

A grand total of 1 character was called into question. I could easily list another 12.

2, actually, and there's more we could pick apart but we just focused on two. What would be the point of listing more if they'll just be flawed examples?

Again, why is Yuna in X-2 bad? Or are we to take your silence as you conceding to the point made.

Just because I haven't addressed it, doesn't mean that I concede. Even then, Again, I could still list more. Hell I still have at least 2 fighting franchises I could list.

She makes a 180 personality shift over the course of 2 years, it's a completely unrealistic character shift. She went from a shy, timid girl. To a girl performs pop songs in front of thousands in skimpy outfits.

Speaking of fighting franchises for that matter, why is Sakura? Or Juri?

Not really. She lived a sheltered and secluded life knowing her fate and destiny, but was able to overcome it in the end and be able to live the life she wanted, because she grew stronger over the course of the first game. The second game is her for the first time being able to do what she wanted rather than what she had to do.

It sounds like you have a problem with females being attractive given this statement and your last statement on the Eternia characters.

Criticizing a woman for how she looks or dresses is more sexist than anything else. Do you also say any woman who wears a dress sets women's rights back 50 years?

Does it really matter which part of the game industry is the worst when it comes to sexist portrayals of women? Well, I guess it does to some, but regardless, I don't think counting the number of good and/or bad portrayals of women in Japanese games and comparing them to western games will work.

For one thing, I think that Japanese games have more female characters in general than western games. Could be wrong about this, but if I'm not, I wouldn't be surprised to find that Japanese games have more good and bad depictions of women as a result.

In addition, not all bad (and good) portrayals are equal.

@animehermit

I'm not familiar with some of a lot of your examples, but it seems that some of your complaints focus on characters who aren't developed well, or who go through what you consider to be unrealistic character development. While I certainly wouldn't consider these characters to be great examples of strong female characters, how are they examples of sexist portrayals of women? Am I missing something?

The discussion has been about bad female characters, from a sexist or just from a bad writing perspective.

animehermit wrote:

The discussion has been about bad female characters, from a sexist or just from a bad writing perspective.

It was? I thought we were discussing portrayals that were sexist or demeaning in some way. I mean, if one includes characters who simply weren't developed well, even Samus (even before Other M) would count.

I certainly don't think Samus is a bad female character though. (Once again ignoring Other M, which I have yet to play but not heard good things about) She wouldn't top my list of strong female characters precisely because she isn't super developed, but she's still a mostly positive portrayal of a woman I think.

Can you seriously list any distinguishing features about either of them? Any particular character traits?

Yeah she gained some strength learned to live her life on her own terms. That doesn't give the writers free range to completely rewrite her entire character because she changed some. It wasn't a natural change at all.

You talk like these are real people, and not fictional characters.

What about the other concert scene? Hmmm?

You can't judge fictional people on their appearance but turn around and say you wouldn't do that to real people either. In the context of these universes, they are real people with personalities, drives, and goals, and you must analyze them as such. Again, judging a woman by how she dresses is petty objectification.

So when people start to win arguments against you, do you always turn it around to make them sound sexist?

This is literally the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. We should judge fictional characters as if they were real people. So when people start to win arguments against you, do you always turn it around to make them sound sexist?

The more I read your refuse the more I see that you are nothing short of weeaboo that makes the entire fanbase look bad.

By all means continue to spout off your refuse you call arguments, but i'm done doing this petty shit.

They both have problems, but they aren't quite the same problem.

Japan, almost despite itself, actually manages to put out games with strong female leads. Yeah, the costume design is fetishized, and you can make hay out of what the actual intent was, but in the end, Atelier Totori is the story of a girl who wants to be an Adventurer, and the trials she and her friends undergo on the way there. She makes it on her own merits, by her own strength.

Meanwhile, the latest Tales convention in Japan was dominated by fujoshi.. especially the character popularity polls.

Well, so no one has seen anything they like from Kickstarter? I'd like to see what they've seen.