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She's an avatar. A spirit taking humanoid form, not a humanoid being with human qualities. FF!Shiva is not a good example of poorly represented/bad female characters in video games.

In which games is Shiva an actual character? Like, with actual character; simply having lines of dialog doesn't count. Because in most of the FF games, Shiva is an ice spirit thing whose visual design is obviously inspired by the human female figure, but is not a female character (meaning having any kind of real relevance to the story, having qualities that make her relate-able), and thus doesn't fit the list.

I guess by your logic any kind of quasi-humanoid-looking thing with boobs is blatant sexualization of female characters?

It doesn't really matter that she doesn't have a character though

I could easily list more as well. I don't really see the need to nitpick.

No doubt there are plenty more candidates for that list. I'm just trying to figure out why you picked Shiva because you basically slipped an alien into a list that was otherwise full of humans. That's all

Veers wrote:

No doubt there are plenty more candidates for that list. I'm just trying to figure out why you picked Shiva because you basically slipped an alien into a list that was otherwise full of humans. That's all

I included her because she is blatantly pandering. She is designed to appeal to a male fanbase.

animehermit wrote:

Veers wrote: No doubt there are plenty more candidates for that list. I'm just trying to figure out why you picked Shiva because you basically slipped an alien into a list that was otherwise full of humans. That's all I included her because she is blatantly pandering. She is designed to appeal to a male fanbase.

Do you agree with the following analogy? Just curious.

Bikini cleavage = blatantly pandering = designed to appeal to a male fanbase

I'm not just asking about the specific character you and Veers are discussing at the moment, I'm curious about your view on sexualization in general, and how that contextualizes your whole position in the debate.

Do you agree with the following analogy? Just curious.

Bikini cleavage = blatantly pandering = designed to appeal to a male fanbase

I'm not just asking about the specific character you and Veers are discussing at the moment, I'm curious about your view on sexualization in general, and how that contextualizes your whole position in the debate.

Depends on the character. In the case of Shiva it is. There is no reason she has to be designed in such a way. I'm not against sexuality in games, but it should be used in way to inform us about her character.

Veers wrote:

No doubt there are plenty more candidates for that list. I'm just trying to figure out why you picked Shiva because you basically slipped an alien into a list that was otherwise full of humans. That's all

I included her because she is blatantly pandering. She is designed to appeal to a male fanbase.

She's a goddamn ice elemental. She's not a character.

Here, have an Ifrit, "Package" and all.

You are well and truly eliding the point.

I'm not against sexuality in games, but it should be used in way to inform us about her character.

The sexism in both western and Japanese games is obvious on its face to even the most casual observer.

That you have to spend hundreds of words explaining to people how "the sky is actually green if you think about it because" means you're in denial about it, not that you're more enlightened or "get it" more than everyone else.

She doesn't have a character, so the the half-naked female appearance really serves no point than to rile up male fantasies.

Sex and sexuality is not inherently misogynistic!