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Mohawk52
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 Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:51 pm
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| LUNI_TUNZ wrote: |
| Mohawk52 wrote: | Honestly this inbred paranoia about reverse importation needs clinical treatment. All Japan has to to do is slap a hefty import tariff on anything looking like a reverse imported physical media making the cost to the importer higher than what it would cost to buy it there and job done. It's incomprehensible that no one there has come up with such a simple solution yet.  |
Yeah, they can just walk on down to congress and have a tariff bill passed in a day or two.
So simple. |
No, they could just send an e-mail, it be faster.
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I don't think you can make a $49.99 BD boxset cost more than a $199.99 one (cheap price, by the way) with just some tariffs. That type of trade imbalance would just be...insane. |
It's meant to be a deterrent, not a marketing tool.
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dengart
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:52 pm
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| yuna49 wrote: | | Sam, do you have any insights into how those jurisdictional disputes are typically resolved? Is it more common for licenses to be under Japanese or American jurisdiction, or are the contracts too idiosyncratic to make broader generalizations? |
Usually it's resolved that it's in Japan, and that clause ends up being moot and the things are tried in the US anyway because that's the court where the lawsuit is filed. If the lawsuit is over breach of contract anyway might as well go ahead and try the thing in the US... If you win you win and what the contract said was moot...
I'm not sure these clauses have any real binding power, as jurisdiction is a matter of law, not something that can be decided by contract.
Similar to the arbitration clause, it doesn't really prevent people from suing each other, it just is a deterrent and makes it harder. |
Afaik choice of law clause's do matter. Of course, it's important to specify that disputes about choice of law are governed by the jurisdiction you want. Also, just because the suit itself happens in the US doesn't mean US law controls. US courts can apply foreign law if necessary.
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dragonrider_cody
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:41 pm
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| LUNI_TUNZ wrote: |
| Mohawk52 wrote: | Honestly this inbred paranoia about reverse importation needs clinical treatment. All Japan has to to do is slap a hefty import tariff on anything looking like a reverse imported physical media making the cost to the importer higher than what it would cost to buy it there and job done. It's incomprehensible that no one there has come up with such a simple solution yet. |
Yeah, they can just walk on down to congress and have a tariff bill passed in a day or two.
So simple. |
Also, a tariff on goods ordered through another country is difficult to enforce. The Japanese government would be powerless to force someone like Right Stuf to charge the tariff. They would literally have to intercept every potential foreign media product and then hold it until the buyer agreed to pay the tariff, or they would have to depend On people reporting the purchase. This would be much more hassle than it would be worth and just wouldn't be cost effective.
Tariffs only work when a product is imported and then sold in that country. If I would buy a new Chevy TrailBlazer is Taiwan and then shipped it to the US, I wouldn't have to pay the tariff. However, if Chevy imported the TrailBlazer to the US and sold it, the tariff would have to be paid and result in a higher cost.
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Mohawk52
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:50 pm
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| dragonrider_cody wrote: | |
Also, a tariff on goods ordered through another country is difficult to enforce. The Japanese government would be powerless to force someone like Right Stuf to charge the tariff. They would literally have to intercept every potential foreign media product and then hold it until the buyer agreed to pay the tariff, or they would have to depend On people reporting the purchase. This would be much more hassle than it would be worth and just wouldn't be cost effective.
Tariffs only work when a product is imported and then sold in that country. If I would buy a new Chevy TrailBlazer is Taiwan and then shipped it to the US, I wouldn't have to pay the tariff. However, if Chevy imported the TrailBlazer to the US and sold it, the tariff would have to be paid and result in a higher cost. |
Done by the Royal Mail and HRM Customs and Excise here every working day. There's even a fee of £8 for the privilege of standing in the que at the Post Office to pay and collect it. In short it's charged at port of entry, and paid at point of collection by the person importing it. 
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Togame
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:21 pm
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| Quote: | | Also I wonder about approvals for translations, if any. Because there have been some pretty big differences. I hate the direction taken now by some CR/Sentai/Funi translations, essentially reverting back to the early days, with dropping honorifics and US name order (very jarring to hear a different name used than the one shown on screen) for example. And heavy, liberal, if not awkward localization. |
Not using honorifics is a good thing. Just saying.
The other issues need balance and care, but localization in itself is never a bad thing becuase language and cultural differences do exist and do matter.
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st_owly
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:51 am
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I've never understood this paranoia about reverse importation. The UK, most of Europe and Japan have always been in the same DVD region, yet no one cried about it before Blu Rays came along...
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LUNI_TUNZ
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:09 am
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| st_owly wrote: | | I've never understood this paranoia about reverse importation. The UK, most of Europe and Japan have always been in the same DVD region, yet no one cried about it before Blu Rays came along... |
Because Blu-rays are rarely region-locked and/or are easier to jailbreak?
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fuuma_monou
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:22 am
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| LUNI_TUNZ wrote: |
| st_owly wrote: | | I've never understood this paranoia about reverse importation. The UK, most of Europe and Japan have always been in the same DVD region, yet no one cried about it before Blu Rays came along... |
Because Blu-rays are rarely region-locked and/or are easier to jailbreak? |
Aren't Blu-ray players harder to hack than DVD players? Making a stand-alone DVD player region-free is pretty easy. Blu-ray encryption is way more complicated, to the point that playback on PCs is iffy.
I forget the name of the site that tracks whether or not Blu-ray discs are region-locked, but the problem is that North America and Japan are in the same Blu-ray region, so reverse importation is more of a problem.
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configspace
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:28 am
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| Togame wrote: |
| Quote: | | Also I wonder about approvals for translations, if any. Because there have been some pretty big differences. I hate the direction taken now by some CR/Sentai/Funi translations, essentially reverting back to the early days, with dropping honorifics and US name order (very jarring to hear a different name used than the one shown on screen) for example. And heavy, liberal, if not awkward localization. |
Not using honorifics is a good thing. Just saying.
The other issues need balance and care, but localization in itself is never a bad thing becuase language and cultural differences do exist and do matter. |
Obviously that it is a "good thing" is your opinion. Otherwise why would Nozomi and samuelp include them?
The translation should be done from the perspective of the character in that universe, not if he were transposed to an American culture, as if we were hearing him speak as an American. In fact, the only way to recognize your point about "language and cultural differences do exist and do matter" is NOT to filter out any and all differences. Dropping honorifics changes the context, sometimes significantly, not to mention also posing some cognitive dissonance between what you hear and what you read, though to a lesser degree than switching first and last names. For translations that do drop them, and when they reach a point where they can't escape its significance on screen, they suddenly add some contrived english version that is awkward and inconsistent with the rest of the non-honorific translation
At least from the point of view of Japanese, they always use honorifics appropriately for foreign characters, either Japanese equivalents or foreign such as a verbal Mr / Mrs lastname for more formal situations, plain first names for informal, as in Phantom TV, Senor(a) for Spanish, etc
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Arsenette
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:45 am
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I have nothing to add other than THANKS to Justin for writing this  I look forward to the rest of the series!
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Asterisk-CGY
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:01 am
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Reverse importation is seriously a non-issue but blown out to be one, like piracy. They got so many other market factors to consider before considering these.
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jsevakis
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:31 am
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| Asterisk-CGY wrote: | | Reverse importation is seriously a non-issue but blown out to be one, like piracy. They got so many other market factors to consider before considering these. |
You don't know this, nobody does. There's never been a study as to how widespread this issue is, to my knowledge.
Anecdotally, I've seen a few Japanese fans who went to AX and were WAAAY too excited to meet Shawne Kleckner, if you get my drift. (Not that he's not an exciting guy, but...)
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bglassbrook
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:45 am
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| st_owly wrote: | | I've never understood this paranoia about reverse importation. The UK, most of Europe and Japan have always been in the same DVD region, yet no one cried about it before Blu Rays came along... |
I don't know about quality of life issues (such as being multi-lingual or possibly delayed even longer than the R1 market,) or other specific release factors, but my guess is that a large part of that may come from video formatting. Sure, their R2 DVD player will decode the European disc, but their NTSC tv is almost certainly going to throw a fit when fed a PAL signal.
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Lord Geo
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:51 am
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| bglassbrook wrote: |
| st_owly wrote: | | I've never understood this paranoia about reverse importation. The UK, most of Europe and Japan have always been in the same DVD region, yet no one cried about it before Blu Rays came along... |
I don't know about quality of life issues (such as being multi-lingual or possibly delayed even longer than the R1 market,) or other specific release factors, but my guess is that a large part of that may come from video formatting. Sure, their R2 DVD player will decode the European disc, but their NTSC tv is almost certainly going to throw a fit when fed a PAL signal. |
Exactly what I saw going to say. Until HDTV came around, which uses one set video format I believe, the Japanese companies had no worries about their consumers buying European DVDs for anime simply because PAL was too much trouble to get around for most people to bother with. Had North America shared the same region as Japan when it came to DVDs then we might have started hearing about reverse importation fears a lot earlier than we did.
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st_owly
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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:05 pm
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Well there you go then. I didn't know NTSC wouldn't play PAL video, because the reverse is not true. I have several R1 NTSC import DVDs and they play fine on my PAL region free player.
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