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bluechibi



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:33 am Reply with quote
Here's an interesting article in todays 'The Mail on Sunday' in the UK. (apologises I couldnt find the article online) It must be said that every single time manga is mentioned in the UK the main focus is on this kind of thing. What are your views on this article? And the idea of encouraging kids in schools to read with manga?

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Child murder, incest and rape... is this really how our schools should be encouraging boys to read? by Glen Owen

GRAPHIC Japanese comic books infamous for the violent and pornographic content of their adult versions, are being sent to schools by the Government-funded agency.

The Manga Cartoons are vividly realistic 'good versus evil' fantasy strips read by all age groups in Japan. In their adult forms, they show the rape, increst and murder of schoolgirls, and depict Lolita-like figures in lewd poses.

Now the Reading Agency, a charity funded by arts, library and Government bodies to promote literacy, has drawn up a list of 150 Manga titles to send to all libraries and schools.

The agency says the books have been vetted to make sure that they are suitable for 13-16 year olds but critics dear that once booked on the comics, teenagers will seek out the more violent and pornographic titles.

The prevalence of Manga comic books in Japan has been blamed by some lobby groups for a rise in sexual violence against women, including a gang-rape by four students at the country's top university last year.

Even children's comics, such as Shonen Jump, which has an English language edition, include characters like Weirdo Mask, a schoolboy who acquires special powers when he puts women's underwear on his face.

Nick Seaton, of the Campaign for Real Education, said: "I really don't think they should invite teenagers to read a series like this. It seems inevitable they will be led into the darker materials".

But the Reading Agency's Ruth Harrison said: "Mangas have the reputation of being about sex and violence but I dont think that's justified. There is a huge range of storylines, covering relationships, football, fantasy horror and sci-fi.

"A lot of the stories are quite sophiisticated, with complicated storylines and development of characters, It's more subtle than just a hero going out to battle evil. The main thing is to get teenagers interested in reading"


I think it's a great idea to encourage teenagers to read but leading onto "darker material"? I've been reading manga for 10 years now, I've yet to turn to the dark side. Sure reading books is great but when I first read manga (Ranma 1/2) I was really into it, something that you could enjoy straight away. You can learn a lot from mangas Smile

(At the moment the manga industry in the UK is pretty nonexistent you will only likely find manga in comic book shops, I've often blamed this on US companies selling manga to all English speaking countries despite only owning the rights for the US. Whoever owns rights for manga in the UK at the moment, they have done absolutely nothing so far.)
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 9:20 am Reply with quote
This news article contains many common misunderstandings; I'm not going to fight over them, for there are too many flame wars between fans and "concerned parents and teachers" already. Wink I'll just provide some explanations and facts mentioned in this article.

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The prevalence of Manga comic books in Japan has been blamed by some lobby groups for a rise in sexual violence against women, including a gang-rape by four students at the country's top university last year.

On 19-06-2003, Shinichiro Wada (和田 真一郎), a 28-year-old sophomore student of renowned Waseda University, was arrested for raping and other charges, along with four of his underlings, all full-time students of famous universities. Their fraternity-like club "SuperFree (スーパーフリー)" held several large rave parties with hundreds (sometimes even thousands) participants every year. They would then focus on good-looking but naive freshman girls (usually from rural prefectures and first time in Tokyo) for a second party with <100 members, then feed the girls with self-prepared liquor mixture with >90% alcohol (note: no illegal drugs were used). Surely no one could stay conscious with that drink, and the girl would be sexually assulted.

These guys are rich (6000 Yen (~US$60) for party admission fee) party animals, and judging from their looks I'd say they were the anti-otaku type: people who would never read manga on a regular basis and would laugh at otaku's inability to attract girls (Wada claimed to have raped over 500 girls). Therefore, it is almost impossible for manga had attributed to their criminal actions.

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Even children's comics, such as Shonen Jump, which has an English language edition, include characters like Weirdo Mask, a schoolboy who acquires special powers when he puts women's underwear on his face.

The manga in this paragraph is 究極!!変態仮面 (Kyuukyoku!! Hentai Kamen; Ultimate!! Perverted Mask) by Keishuu Ando (あんど 慶周). It indeed contains lots of low jokes, but it should be noted that Japanese culture in general are more tolerant to sex-oriented jokes, as depicted in Pom Poko (I keep wondering how Disney would translate those jokes).

bluechibi wrote:
I've been reading manga for 10 years now, I've yet to turn to the dark side.

Oh, sure you have. In their opinion, keeping reading "picture books" in late teen / early 20s is a telltale sign for being in the "Dark Side." Twisted Evil
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che_guevara



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 12:46 pm Reply with quote
I've always had mixed feelings about this issue - everyone should have the freedom to read whatever they want, and all types of material should be equally available to the reading public.

However - it is true that a huge portion of manga does encourage those acts. Think about Ranma 1/2 - stealing women's underwear is "funny", it's a reason to laugh. Sure, for a 15 year-old reader, that' not gonna be a problem, but for a 10 year-old, that might have more of an effect.
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IanC



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 5:59 pm Reply with quote
First off that article is just the usual Daily Mail over reaction crap
bluechibi wrote:

(At the moment the manga industry in the UK is pretty nonexistent you will only likely find manga in comic book shops, I've often blamed this on US companies selling manga to all English speaking countries despite only owning the rights for the US. Whoever owns rights for manga in the UK at the moment, they have done absolutely nothing so far.)


eh? Look around, alot of book stores now have manga for sale, either in the Graphic Novel aisle, or in the case of larger stores there own aisle.
Theres no company that owns the right for manga in the UK btw, its the same manga thats out in america but with a sticker covering up the US barcode Razz
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:35 pm Reply with quote
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These guys are rich (6000 Yen (~US$60) for party admission fee) party animals, and judging from their looks I'd say they were the anti-otaku type: people who would never read manga on a regular basis and would laugh at otaku's inability to attract girls (Wada claimed to have raped over 500 girls). Therefore, it is almost impossible for manga had attributed to their criminal actions.

You really can't make the judgement that just because they were arrogant dicks they hated manga and its fans (unless they said it). Maybe they did like manga, maybe they didn't; it doesn't pertain to this case at all from what you said. People will always look for scapegoats to blame crime on. It has happened with nearly every form of media, so I'm not suprised that it has happened to manga.
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bluechibi



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:41 pm Reply with quote
Actually companies do own the rights for the UK though they just tend to carry on doing what they did before and seeing the US versions and not really giving it a proper release in the UK. Not every bookstore carries manga, in my town there are no mangas despite 3 bookstores and 2 WHSmiths not one manga. In the cities and towns around me you can only find manga in a few comic shops and asian shops. On bookshops sells a couple of manga titles out of how many hundreds? It's the same kind of story with most places around the country, I guess you're very fortunate to live in such an area that carries so much.

I'm waiting for WHSmith to start stocking them first.
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Haiseikoh 1973



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 1:13 am Reply with quote
Well, heres the page for it, no list thought. Tried to find it on the website, but no joy. So, can't figure out what titles they "suggested" and what they didn't.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 1:50 am Reply with quote
Kagemusha wrote:
Maybe they did like manga, maybe they didn't; it doesn't pertain to this case at all from what you said.

I know it's a bit overly generalized. Of course there are exceptions, but in general, otaku and party animals don't mix. There's a picture of "regional directors" of SuperFree in the link I provided in my previous post (that site archived parts of SuperFree's site before it was shut down by law enforcement). Being an Asian myself and having both party lover and manga fans as friends, I'd say they are very unlikely to be the latter, judging from the "aura" they had (yeah, I know it's hard to give a quantitative description; it's a personal experience plus instinct Anime catgrin + sweatdrop).
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Well the Brits only have themselves to blame, since those themes are also prevalent in Shakespeare's plays. Well except for the gang rape and the panties on the head, but it beats watching their porn involving couples rolling around in creamed corn.
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SirCanealot



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:59 am Reply with quote
This seems to happen every now and again in the UK.

One thing that bothers me about this artical is... "Darker materials"? If I really wanted, couldn't I start out reading Shakespear, and then move onto reading "darker materials" fully avalible from my local libary? I mean, I'm sure there's plenty that's been published in England novel wise that is about as "bad" as manga, why are they saying like it's anything new?
It's a shame I never see those articals in person with a nice listed email/address: I might leave them a nice note if I ever do.
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ping



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 5:58 pm Reply with quote
Haiseikoh 1973 wrote:
Well, heres the page for it, no list thought. Tried to find it on the website, but no joy. So, can't figure out what titles they "suggested" and what they didn't.
@

That site says CLAMP made love hina Rolling Eyes

Hmmm I wonder If this campaign will apply to Irish schools..
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2004 6:11 pm Reply with quote
dormcat wrote:
...it should be noted that Japanese culture in general are more tolerant to sex-oriented jokes, as depicted in Pom Poko (I keep wondering how Disney would translate those jokes).


Ahem... {straightfaced} "These are my golden balls." {/straightfaced} Wink


dormcat wrote:
bluechibi wrote:
I've been reading manga for 10 years now, I've yet to turn to the dark side.

Oh, sure you have. In their opinion, keeping reading "picture books" in late teen / early 20s is a telltale sign for being in the "Dark Side." Twisted Evil


"Give yourself to the Dark Side, young otaku..." *wheeze*

-abunai
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People will always look for scapegoats to blame crime on. It has happened with nearly every form of media, so I'm not suprised that it has happened to manga.


Articles like this always get a laugh from me. Just recently a read a news article about Heavy Metal leading to terrorism (that was a satire though).

The great thing about this is that there are millions of novels/series that are insanely more graphic then any manga i've ever read (and i've read some pretty nasty mangas). So once kids start reading we'll probably see another article concerning the violent/sexual content of books corrupting the youth. It's brilliant - "Rant on" I say. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 10:49 am Reply with quote
Another reason why you should research for yourself if manga is really bad for your children.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:20 am Reply with quote
dormcat wrote:
This news article contains many common misunderstandings; I'm not going to fight over them, for there are too many flame wars between fans and "concerned parents and teachers" already. Wink I'll just provide some explanations and facts mentioned in this article.

Quote:
The prevalence of Manga comic books in Japan has been blamed by some lobby groups for a rise in sexual violence against women, including a gang-rape by four students at the country's top university last year.

On 19-06-2003, Shinichiro Wada (和田 真一郎), a 28-year-old sophomore student of renowned Waseda University, was arrested for raping and other charges, along with four of his underlings, all full-time students of famous universities. Their fraternity-like club "SuperFree (スーパーフリー)" held several large rave parties with hundreds (sometimes even thousands) participants every year. They would then focus on good-looking but naive freshman girls (usually from rural prefectures and first time in Tokyo) for a second party with <100 members, then feed the girls with self-prepared liquor mixture with >90% alcohol (note: no illegal drugs were used). Surely no one could stay conscious with that drink, and the girl would be sexually assulted.

These guys are rich (6000 Yen (~US$60) for party admission fee) party animals, and judging from their looks I'd say they were the anti-otaku type: people who would never read manga on a regular basis and would laugh at otaku's inability to attract girls (Wada claimed to have raped over 500 girls). Therefore, it is almost impossible for manga had attributed to their criminal actions.

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Even children's comics, such as Shonen Jump, which has an English language edition, include characters like Weirdo Mask, a schoolboy who acquires special powers when he puts women's underwear on his face.

The manga in this paragraph is 究極!!変態仮面 (Kyuukyoku!! Hentai Kamen; Ultimate!! Perverted Mask) by Keishuu Ando (あんど 慶周). It indeed contains lots of low jokes, but it should be noted that Japanese culture in general are more tolerant to sex-oriented jokes, as depicted in Pom Poko (I keep wondering how Disney would translate those jokes).

bluechibi wrote:
I've been reading manga for 10 years now, I've yet to turn to the dark side.

Oh, sure you have. In their opinion, keeping reading "picture books" in late teen / early 20s is a telltale sign for being in the "Dark Side." Twisted Evil


Sucks so much that only those few were arrested. All of those women/girls as well Sad. I will agree, there is a lot of violence, etc in the world that it all or a good majority of it can no be blamed on manga. A lot of people are just sick, lack any type of concern for anyone other then themselves, and think of others as simply their play things.. Still the article the first post talked about does seem to result from misunderstandings and maybe overraction. Still in the end, people will always look for outside sources for the reason things are bad with their kids instead of looking at how they are actually raising their kids or how their lack of parenting is affecting their kids. Things like this seem to comfort them in that its [insert element]'s fault. At least I feel it seems to be that way.
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