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SongstressCela
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Do you really need to be that much of a videophile? Really? A 900 MB episode is absolutely insane in terms of quality, my god. Most -300- MB episodes look just fine, let alone the 700MB they can usually fit on even a single layer disc.
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Top Gun
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And where in the world are you watching these episodes that the "drop" in quality is so "noticeable"? A 57-foot-wide video board at a football stadium?
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Polly E.
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Videophiles see the world of video in a different way. I can relate somewhat, being an audiophile myself. I'm a bit of a videophile as well, though nowhere near the level of the earlier poster. If you don't know what you're looking for in terms of awful compression, artifacting, encoding, and all that other fun stuff I don't really wanna get into, then consider yourself lucky and enjoy what you enjoy. Last edited by Polly E. on Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:14 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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zanarkand princess
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Exactly. There really is no noticeable drop in quality. People just need something to bitch at Funimation about when they are actually doing something good. I'm sure that all of their new releases will be fine. If the quality really would drop don't you think they would just add another disc? If most half season sets cost about $50 and a complete set of a 12 episode series costs the same with a three discs then I don't even think the price would even go up and nobody was upset with geneon for putting 12 episodes on three discs if I remember.
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mulrich
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The difference being that DVDs don't use H.264 nor XviD. They use MPEG-2, a much older video format that doesn't allow for awesome video quality at low file sizes. Don't compare fansubs/DVD rips to actual DVDs. If you cannot see tearing, bleeding, rainbowing, aliasing, and all the other horrible things introduced by poor mastering and bad compression, you must be blind. And no, I don't have a 57" high-definition television. I usually watch my DVDs on a 21" CRT TV, and the "quality" of my NHK DVDs is quite noticable. It's even worse on our 32" HDTV. I want to buy the DVDs for the shows I like. But I don't want to be buttfucked in doing so. |
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SongstressCela
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Actually, while I do have 20/20 vision with glasses, I would be legally blind without them. Thanks, though. 
I call BS. There is no way it's that noticeable on some tiny little SD TV. No. way. You're just trying to justify an unwillingness to purchase perfectly good quality DVDs. |
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Sandstar
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Remember kids: watching a video with a slight drop in quality is the same as anal rape! |
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mulrich
Posts: 139 Location: Denmark |
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Suit yourself. I'm not the one sticking my head in the ground and denying facts. |
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Unit 03.5-ish
Posts: 1540 Location: This space for rent |
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I asked my Chihuahua about it, but she doesn't seem to have any thoughts on the subject. In other news, wait where did we start talking about DVD compression quality? I can't believe people don't like how FUNi packages a lot of their rescues from ADV and such, because space-saving + changing discs less often = WIN |
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Polly E.
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While I disagree with how it's cool to be a confrontational and crass snob on the internet like our Mr. Cool Friend mulrich, valid points are being made. The video quality does take quite a hit from the high episode counts. |
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LordRedhand
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I'm also calling BS on this too, I've been able to watch anime on a 60" HDTV and didn't notice a quality difference of say Ghost Hunt (7 to 6 episode disc) versus a Volume of Phoenix ( 5 to 4 episodes a disc). I have DVD's for the Lupin the Third series by Pioneer/Geneon that Volumes 1 and 2 had 6 episodes a disc, so it was possible fairly early in anime DVDs to get 6 episodes a disc, they're just recently pushing it. |
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dragonrider_cody
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Wow, not even sure where to start with this one. I'm glad to see most people aren't completely pissed that the LE got cancelled, and are understanding of the reasons. At least we got an announcement from them, and they did just let it hang out there with no official word. (Remember Viz....)
Also, even Bandai has admitted this title has underperformed. I've seen first hand how poorly it has sold through some retail channels, with perhaps the only exceptions being Right Stuf and RACS. Recently Best Buy sent back all the remaining Lucky Star LE's it had left in most stores, which was several thousand copies or 80% of what we had received. I think that had a lot to do with decision to drop it for the final volume. Sadly, the economy is pretty bad. DVD sales are in the toilet, and anime sales are even worse. Retailers are collapsing nation wide and people are spending less money. We're lucky this is all that got dropped. The R1 companies are going to have a tough time this year, so I'm willing to cut them all some slack the next few months. |
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Kalessin
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Personally, I'd rather have good video quality rather than fewer discs. However, I'm not a videophile and I don't think that I'm likely to notice the drop in quality. Most people probably won't. Unless the drop in quality is significant or you have something to compare it to, you're not likely to notice unless you're really looking for that sort of thing and used to detecting problems in video. I'm pretty sure that most people just watch the DVDs and don't think all that much about the video quality.
As for Funimation's releases in specific, I certainly haven't noticed any reduction in quality, but I have been surprised that they've been cramming as many episodes per disc as they have. However, most of what I've been watching that has had 6 or 7 episodes per disc have been shows like Case Closed which don't look all that great regardless of the video quality because they weren't exactly high class animation to begin with. Hopefully, the folks at Funimation are aware of any issues related to video quality and will avoid putting too many episodes on a disc when it matters. Of course, as things slowly shift over to BluRay, the issue may disappear since then we're dealing with an entirely different format. |
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GeorgeC
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Oh goodness,
You really ARE a butthead, Mulrich! It's the same B.S. regardless of what forum you post in, sonny... |
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enurtsol
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Well, DVD-9s are 8.5 GB actually....... well..... in company advertising terms where 1 GB = 1000 MB. It's really closer to 8000 MB where 1 GB = 1024 MB in computer terms (which use the power of 2: 2^10 = 1024). Same with 4.7 GB, which is really about 4400 MB. DVD specs have a max bitrate about 10 Mb/s = 1.25 MB/s. 8000 MB / 1.25 MB/s = 6400 seconds = about 107 minutes at max bitrate. Of course, nobody maxes the bitrate every second. The usual average is around 6-7 MB/s bitrate = about 152-178 minutes of show time (not counting extras and such). That's about 6-7 episodes of barebones DVD. Of course, other factors to be considered include how complex the source material and how good the MPEG-2 encoding process used.
Well, that is until the equipment improves again, like 16000x9000 pixel resolution and 200-inch TVs, then you'd need yet better codecs on bigger disc capacities. 
And of course, more discs per boxset = pricier boxsets. |
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