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pparker
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Interesting reference. I would pick the recent Kurozuka as nodding to this style more than Mnemosyne, but maybe just because it's partially historical.
Mnemosyne wishes...
...because there's the crux. Yes, there's gore and implied sex, updated visually from Genocyber et al. But about half way through I just lost interest in the story. Whether due to writing or pacing (editing) or whatever, it just lost its story fizz, and the visuals weren't interesting enough to replace it. What you are looking for is Kara no Kyoukai in a similar vein. Which is just stunning visually and 3x more interesting so far (but a long time from completion yet). |
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Jarmel
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The thing with the plot is that it could have easily been turned into a high quality hentai and nothing would have been lost(rather we would have gained something). The spoiler[ part where Rin is ripped apart in the jet engine] is just over the top and reminds me of a Robot Chicken sketch where a guy shoot a werewolf with a machine gun, lights the bloody pulps on fire, snorts the ashes of the werewolf, takes a dump, and the werewolf remnants are burnt at a waste treatment factory, yet the werewolf is still technically "alive". I like the Saw films, as on the whole they are pretty well done, but this just felt stupid. Captainbanana pretty much summed up my feelings on this show.
The sad part is that they could have made it alot better if they had just left the over-the-top sexual parts out and made a good narrative on immortality. |
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Kruszer
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Isn't that what I said, more or less? Anyway, I thought it was humorous, morbidly so, but also in a campy and fun way. |
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Dorcas_Aurelia
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We all love saying you can't judge a book by its cover, but Mnemosyne presents itself distinctly as hyper-sexualized and uber-violent, and Unit called it out on these counts and said that he couldn't understand the appeal of either. LiuXande is about the only person who has said it isn't, and that's owing to the intense rapture s/he has for the show and the accompanying denial of any possible flaws. As for the series being shallow, it is. The entire purpose is violence and sex, and the plot is a vehicle for such. Having the story being obtuse doesn't make it deep, it just makes it hard to follow.
But WHY does the sex need to be inextricable from the plot? Because otherwise there wouldn't be any appeal to draw in the audience. If they had used sex to show that the immortals needed someone to connect with it would have made sense, but that's not the case. Sex is reduced to the bare physical components until the end spoiler[when we get Rin's involvement in hetero relationships,] but by then the plot is such a mess that we've already suffered due to the necessity of including irrelevant or unexplained crap in so much of the story.
So the argument was that the show is so bad that it's funny? |
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Unit 03.5-ish
Posts: 1540 Location: This space for rent |
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What I'm trying to say is that sex and violence, as separate entities, bother me not. Hell, even violence after a sex scene doesn't bug me (you know, when Jason eviscerates some unlucky teen after they've had a screw). But to combine the two as if it's HOT and EROTIC seems so twisted that I just don't get the appeal. There's a lot of people out there, not just me, who aren't bothered when the two are taken as separate things, but get plenty disturbed at the combination of them. Again, from people who saw Hostel, I heard how grossed out a lot of them were at the torture porn aspect. So you have a scene where some mutant alien tears a bunch of hapless soldiers apart in a lovely shower of red? OK. You have a scene where the hero boffs some willing young maiden? Great. When you have a mutant alien boffing and gutting a young maiden?
Eeeeeeeewwwwwwww |
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Hikari06
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Wow, for a newly announced title, it looks like this series is receiving a lot of publicity already. If anything, the controversy and furor over Mnemosyne's gratuitous sex and violence will probably boost its appeal for rebellious teens who like "dark and edgy" anime like Death Note. (Although Lord knows that some of the things that happen to the characters in this series would make Light Yagami wet himself.) I tried it and didn't personally care for it myself, even though I can see why some people like it. Anyway, at least I have El Cazador to look forward to.
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Captain Crotchspike
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Unit, that's good for you. Really, it is. But, please don't try to tear into a show you haven't seen like you were doing before. If you don't want to see it, fine, but don't go running around comparing it to things that you can't actually compare it to and making declarations about the show's quality when you don't know what you're talking about. Let the people who have actually seen it take care of that.
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Unit 03.5-ish
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Well, thanks for letting me know when I am allowed to express my opinion and when I don't have the right! You sure are helpful and informative. I was kind of unsure there for a second
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Dorcas_Aurelia
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The thing is, Unit mostly didn't complain about the quality of the series, he complained about the content. The closest he came to impugning the quality was with one comment calling it shallow (which it is), and another calling it tasteless, which is as much related to the nature of the content as the presentation of it. It's like trying to convince someone the plot of Cardcaptor Sakura isn't overly simplistic when they said they don't like magical girl shows and wasn't going to watch it because it's a magical girl show. |
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nx6
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First thing I have to say is: DRAT! Now Shinsen will never finish the DVD-subs they were halfway through.
I found this show rather amusing overall, but it did seem to get worse with every episode. The first one was pretty cool, but episode 5 was easily the least entertaining of the whole series. The sex could have stayed in just fine but some of the ways it integrated into the plot were just weird. 1) spoiler[How often do you meet informants that want to be paid in sexual favors rather than money?] 2) spoiler[Mimi as a nun --- leading to a requisite lesbian nun orgy?] |
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Shiroi Hane
Encyclopedia Editor
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I saw an episode or two and was looking forward to the UK release (which was due out on Monday but looks to have been indefinitely postponed at the moment) for two main reasons: it has Mamiko Noto in a very unusual (if not unique) role for her, and her sidekick is really cute. |
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Captain Crotchspike
Posts: 355 Location: Phoenix, AZ |
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"Mostly" nothing, he tried to compare it to shows he can't compare it to without having seen it, and then tried to run away from his original statement with separate arguments and sarcasm. It's that original assertion that bothers me here. Comparing Mnemosyne to ultra-violent OVAs like MD Geist and films like Hostel based on the fact that it has sex and violence and a torture scene is like comparing Cardcaptor Sakura to Patlabor because they both have girls in them, and to Duel Masters because they both have cards in them. Would you take those kinds of comparisons seriously from someone who hasn't even seen the show? It's fine if someone wants to say, "Oh, that doesn't sound good to me, I'll stay away from it." But, can it be explained to me how it is at all helpful or insightful or productive for that same person, knowing nothing about the show aside from a series of conflicting accounts on an internet message board, to start claiming that show is as tasteless and shallow as a certain brand of show that he can't possibly directly compare it to without having seen it? I'm not particularly concerned with changing your minds or anything, don't get me wrong, I'm just rather baffled that you'd believe watching someone getting worked up over something they know very little about is worthwhile for anyone. It's like calling The Boondocks a tasteless, worthless show on the grounds that it uses the "n" word without having seen it and knowing the context. I just don't see how that makes for worthwhile conversation for anyone. It fills up space at best and misinforms at worst. |
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Unit 03.5-ish
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Well at least I didn't break the fecking law by watching it. Oh, wait...the law doesn't really matter nowadays, does it?
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Captain Crotchspike
Posts: 355 Location: Phoenix, AZ |
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Quit side-stepping the point. Why do you think it is worthwhile to make a hyperbolic comparison of a show you haven't seen to a set of shows you assert to be undesirable? How can you possibly do that having not seen that show? Why not just stop at, "Oh, that doesn't sound good"?
Please explain that to me. |
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ikillchicken
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Congratulations. You're legally talking out your ass.  You know, you have a legitimate point about 'torture porn' in the general sense that I think most people would agree with. Trying to make violence sexy is pretty messed up. In my opinion you're probably even right about Mnemosyne.
What you're doing though that people have a problem with is applying these statements to Mnemosyne without having seen it. If you'd just admit that this is just a general opinion and you don't actually know if this is the case with this, there wouldn't be a problem. Why must you instead repeatedly respond with these ridiculous troll posts? This has nothing to do with piracy. Bringing it up is pointless. You might as well tell CC how fat his momma is. |
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