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kakoishii
Joined: 16 Jul 2008
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:48 am
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TitanXL wrote: |
KENZICHI wrote: | I've been waiting TOO long! |
"Always leave them wanting more" - Writing 101
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Yes, but another rule of writing isn't you shouldn't string your readers along too long without giving up the goods because you risk them no longer caring anymore. I'm about at the point that I don't really care as much anymore. Kishimoto really wants to tack on 1.5+ years to a manga that feels like it should end in the next couple months? I have to wonder about the people who are "excited" about this news. Do you enjoy being infinitely teased? Not me. Kishi needs to end this shit sooner rather than later.
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RyougaZell
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:45 am
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Spotlesseden wrote: | manga market in jp will go down once naruto and bleach is done after couple more years. They still have nothing to replace those sale numbers yet. |
Seriously?
Top-Selling Manga in Japan by Series: 2012 (First Half) wrote: |
The following chart covers sales from November 21, 2011 to May 20, 2012:
1 One Piece Eiichiro Oda 13,833,116
2 Naruto Masashi Kishimoto 3,081,822
3 Hunter X Hunter Yoshihiro Togashi 2,721,003
4 Uchū Kyōdai (Space Brothers) Chūya Koyama 2,684,223
5 Kimi ni Todoke Karuho Shiina 2,316,005
6 Fairy Tail Hiro Mashima 2,271,497
7 Bakuman. Story: Tsugumi Ohba, Art: Takeshi Obata 1,986,502
8 Kuroko no Basuke (Kuroko's Basketball) Tadatoshi Fujimaki 1,969,727
9 We Were There (Bokura ga Ita) Yuuki Obata 1,725,725
10 Attack on Titan Hajime Isayama 1,715,410
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With One Piece... Naruto and Bleach sales won't be missed. Heck... Bleach isn't even among the best sellers as of late. Sure, it was a gold mine a few years ago, but Bleach has lost its fanbase lately.
It can be argued that Naruto sales would indeed be missed. And they WILL be missed. But nothing to replace them? Maybe in fandom and shonen like matter but... Hunter x Hunter is less than 300k volumes away... and Uchu no Kyoudai 400k. Kimi no todoke and Fairy Tail are a bit a away, but have great sales as well.
Naruto sales can easily be replaced by a hit. But with One Piece still going for another ten years, I don't see Shounen Jump panicking because Naruto will end in 2 years.
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RGaspar
Joined: 04 Oct 2011
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:47 pm
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MaxSouth wrote: |
RGaspar wrote: | It worries me a little. Because the manga is definitely heading towards a conclusion now, I can see this finishing in 40-50 more chapters but more than that?? Mmm.
I wonder what kind of filler-ish stories Kishimoto is going to come up with... |
Events in the manga develop incredibly slow. Especially with Kishimoto's insistence on many tactical aspects. So even conclusion of this current war arc can easily take 1.5 years. |
I know the events develop very slowly (heck, I've been up-to-date since february and very few things really happened in the meantime), but even then it's not THAT slow. If I recall correctly, the longest single battle just lasted some 5 or 6 chapters.
The current events shouldn't take longer than 20 to 30 chapters to be DONE, for good.
It seems to be there's more to it than what we're currently looking for, which is a bad thing, to be honest. New stuff it's more likely to come out of nowhere (new big bad, or a very long flashback or something) and feel like filler stuff.
We'll see in due time, anyway.
I'm sticking with this series until the bitter end.
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MaxSouth
Joined: 11 Oct 2008
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:59 pm
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If you will look at One Piece manga, then you will not be surprised that completion of War Arc might take 1.5 years.
One Piece manga sometimes takes many months to describe even one day of events. The war might take longer than one day, so I will not be surprised that it might require 1.5 years.
Of course, there is possibility that the war will end sooner, and then there will be the final arc. As people joked here, Naruto versus God (The Sage of Six Paths) or whatever. )
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Shadowrun20XX
Joined: 26 Nov 2007
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Location: Vegas
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:24 pm
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Like I said, the Naruto anime sold out.
You deviate from the source when it comes to shonen anything and you get left behind quick. This shouldn't be news to any of you at this point. People want the manga brought to life, not tinkered with, spit on, turned around, left out and ignored from their source favorites.
We want to see the greatness of the original creators work animated.
Keep the filler separate. Proof is in the sales. Very, very few people want "other" when it comes to adaptations.
Just wait til the Sailormoon rehash comes. There will be crying like when the Eng dub first got released. OMG. That was ridiculous.
The manga is fantastic. It's just a little tiring when (if you are an otaku), you have been with it more than a decade. Back when IRC was delving it out, the general public didn't have a clue about anything on the internet.
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Spotlesseden
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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:34 pm
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RyougaZell wrote: |
Spotlesseden wrote: | manga market in jp will go down once naruto and bleach is done after couple more years. They still have nothing to replace those sale numbers yet. |
Seriously?
Top-Selling Manga in Japan by Series: 2012 (First Half) wrote: |
The following chart covers sales from November 21, 2011 to May 20, 2012:
1 One Piece Eiichiro Oda 13,833,116
2 Naruto Masashi Kishimoto 3,081,822
3 Hunter X Hunter Yoshihiro Togashi 2,721,003
4 Uchū Kyōdai (Space Brothers) Chūya Koyama 2,684,223
5 Kimi ni Todoke Karuho Shiina 2,316,005
6 Fairy Tail Hiro Mashima 2,271,497
7 Bakuman. Story: Tsugumi Ohba, Art: Takeshi Obata 1,986,502
8 Kuroko no Basuke (Kuroko's Basketball) Tadatoshi Fujimaki 1,969,727
9 We Were There (Bokura ga Ita) Yuuki Obata 1,725,725
10 Attack on Titan Hajime Isayama 1,715,410
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With One Piece... Naruto and Bleach sales won't be missed. Heck... Bleach isn't even among the best sellers as of late. Sure, it was a gold mine a few years ago, but Bleach has lost its fanbase lately.
It can be argued that Naruto sales would indeed be missed. And they WILL be missed. But nothing to replace them? Maybe in fandom and shonen like matter but... Hunter x Hunter is less than 300k volumes away... and Uchu no Kyoudai 400k. Kimi no todoke and Fairy Tail are a bit a away, but have great sales as well.
Naruto sales can easily be replaced by a hit. But with One Piece still going for another ten years, I don't see Shounen Jump panicking because Naruto will end in 2 years. |
Shueisha is taking a hit this first half because of the manga sale keep going down year after year. square enix still haven't find replacement for FMA yet. Light Novel sales are going up, manga sales goes down. that's the reality right now.
How are you going to replace 1.4+ millions naruto sales. Bleach was taking a break at the begin of the year. Bleach new vol is still top 600k/vol
One Piece sales goes down too because not as many people buying the old vols(vol 1-50+) as last year
Hunter X Hunter is not a replacement. the sales is already there. 300k more doesn't replace 1.4+ millions. the math doesn't add up. Hunter X Hunter need to double its sales in order to replace naruto's lost sale.
And Hunter X Hunter is probably going to finish before naruto.
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101nemesis
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:59 am
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I know I'm late in the discussion. But I just wanted to know why people keep on insisting that Toriko will replace Bleach. I mean its such a rip off from One Piece. And Bleach still sells more. The reason bleach wasn't in the top 10 of the 1st half of the year was cause Vol 55 released 3 days after that. Bleach was 15th on the list and had sold 1.49 million. Volume 55 sold approx around 610k. So technically it would have sold around 2 million and would have been 7th on the list or maybe even 6th.
Top 11-30 Best Selling Manga Series on Upper 2012
11, *1,655,367 Toriko
12, *1,617,572 Gintama
13, *1,561,339 Gin no Saji
14, *1,506,087 Inu x Boku SS
15, *1,499,322 Bleach
16, *1,493,600 SKET Dance
17, *1,475,848 Chihayafuru
18, *1,380,729 Thermae Romae
19, *1,197,198 Detective Conan
20, *1,186,572 Nurarihyon no Mago
21, *1,169,750 Ao no Exorcist
22, *1,084,554 Kyou, Koi wo Hajimemasu
23, **,998,116 Katekyo Hitman Reborn!
24, **,906,049 Natsume Yuujinchou
25, **,873,575 Danshi Koukousei no Nichijou
26, **,868,783 Ace of Diamond
27, **,865,600 Ao Haru Ride
28, **,847,868 Beelzebub
29, **,828,231 Gantz
30, **,821,173 Giant Killing
One of the major problems Bleach faces is the fact that Kubo takes alot of breaks.
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Tenbyakugon
Joined: 11 Jan 2012
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:35 pm
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I could care for Toriko, but to call it a rip-off from One Piece is like calling Bleach a rip-off of Yu Yu Hakusho: the argument sounds good at first, but is always put to rest.
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oblivious247
Joined: 16 Oct 2011
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:50 pm
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101nemesis wrote: | I know I'm late in the discussion. But I just wanted to know why people keep on insisting that Toriko will replace Bleach. I mean its such a rip off from One Piece. And Bleach still sells more. The reason bleach wasn't in the top 10 of the 1st half of the year was cause Vol 55 released 3 days after that. Bleach was 15th on the list and had sold 1.49 million. Volume 55 sold approx around 610k. So technically it would have sold around 2 million and would have been 7th on the list or maybe even 6th.
Top 11-30 Best Selling Manga Series on Upper 2012
11, *1,655,367 Toriko
12, *1,617,572 Gintama
13, *1,561,339 Gin no Saji
14, *1,506,087 Inu x Boku SS
15, *1,499,322 Bleach
16, *1,493,600 SKET Dance
17, *1,475,848 Chihayafuru
18, *1,380,729 Thermae Romae
19, *1,197,198 Detective Conan
20, *1,186,572 Nurarihyon no Mago
21, *1,169,750 Ao no Exorcist
22, *1,084,554 Kyou, Koi wo Hajimemasu
23, **,998,116 Katekyo Hitman Reborn!
24, **,906,049 Natsume Yuujinchou
25, **,873,575 Danshi Koukousei no Nichijou
26, **,868,783 Ace of Diamond
27, **,865,600 Ao Haru Ride
28, **,847,868 Beelzebub
29, **,828,231 Gantz
30, **,821,173 Giant Killing
One of the major problems Bleach faces is the fact that Kubo takes alot of breaks. |
Okay lets for a second say Toriko is a rip off of One Piece. That rip off is still a better product than what Kubo has been putting out. And it's not even just the sales. Look at the weekly shonen jump rankings. Toriko is consistently ahead of Bleach.
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101nemesis
Joined: 17 Aug 2012
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 11:19 am
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oblivious247 wrote: |
101nemesis wrote: | I know I'm late in the discussion. But I just wanted to know why people keep on insisting that Toriko will replace Bleach. I mean its such a rip off from One Piece. And Bleach still sells more. The reason bleach wasn't in the top 10 of the 1st half of the year was cause Vol 55 released 3 days after that. Bleach was 15th on the list and had sold 1.49 million. Volume 55 sold approx around 610k. So technically it would have sold around 2 million and would have been 7th on the list or maybe even 6th.
Top 11-30 Best Selling Manga Series on Upper 2012
11, *1,655,367 Toriko
12, *1,617,572 Gintama
13, *1,561,339 Gin no Saji
14, *1,506,087 Inu x Boku SS
15, *1,499,322 Bleach
16, *1,493,600 SKET Dance
17, *1,475,848 Chihayafuru
18, *1,380,729 Thermae Romae
19, *1,197,198 Detective Conan
20, *1,186,572 Nurarihyon no Mago
21, *1,169,750 Ao no Exorcist
22, *1,084,554 Kyou, Koi wo Hajimemasu
23, **,998,116 Katekyo Hitman Reborn!
24, **,906,049 Natsume Yuujinchou
25, **,873,575 Danshi Koukousei no Nichijou
26, **,868,783 Ace of Diamond
27, **,865,600 Ao Haru Ride
28, **,847,868 Beelzebub
29, **,828,231 Gantz
30, **,821,173 Giant Killing
One of the major problems Bleach faces is the fact that Kubo takes alot of breaks. |
Okay lets for a second say Toriko is a rip off of One Piece. That rip off is still a better product than what Kubo has been putting out. And it's not even just the sales. Look at the weekly shonen jump rankings. Toriko is consistently ahead of Bleach. |
The previous arc of Bleach was disappointing. Till the end of Aizen Arc, bleach was amazing. Fullbring arc was just like a filler arc in the anime. But with the new arc, the sales are picking up again and ONE bad year in 10 doesn't mean a series will lose its grip.
And I didn't mean Toriko was a straight rip off. But It's similarities to One Piece are so out there. And with WSJ promoting the manga so widely since Naruto and Bleach are ending, this "Toriko has replaced Bleach" is only gonna get bigger. Plus its only been out for sometime. It'd be interesting to see if it could survive in the top 5 like how the previous 3 did for over 10 years.
Fairytail is bland. I actually liked it but as time went I got so fed up over it as there was no constant story arc. It's just a bunch of small adventures. If they don't introduce an ACTUAL story, people will get tired of it.
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oblivious247
Joined: 16 Oct 2011
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 11:38 am
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101nemesis wrote: |
oblivious247 wrote: |
101nemesis wrote: | I know I'm late in the discussion. But I just wanted to know why people keep on insisting that Toriko will replace Bleach. I mean its such a rip off from One Piece. And Bleach still sells more. The reason bleach wasn't in the top 10 of the 1st half of the year was cause Vol 55 released 3 days after that. Bleach was 15th on the list and had sold 1.49 million. Volume 55 sold approx around 610k. So technically it would have sold around 2 million and would have been 7th on the list or maybe even 6th.
Top 11-30 Best Selling Manga Series on Upper 2012
11, *1,655,367 Toriko
12, *1,617,572 Gintama
13, *1,561,339 Gin no Saji
14, *1,506,087 Inu x Boku SS
15, *1,499,322 Bleach
16, *1,493,600 SKET Dance
17, *1,475,848 Chihayafuru
18, *1,380,729 Thermae Romae
19, *1,197,198 Detective Conan
20, *1,186,572 Nurarihyon no Mago
21, *1,169,750 Ao no Exorcist
22, *1,084,554 Kyou, Koi wo Hajimemasu
23, **,998,116 Katekyo Hitman Reborn!
24, **,906,049 Natsume Yuujinchou
25, **,873,575 Danshi Koukousei no Nichijou
26, **,868,783 Ace of Diamond
27, **,865,600 Ao Haru Ride
28, **,847,868 Beelzebub
29, **,828,231 Gantz
30, **,821,173 Giant Killing
One of the major problems Bleach faces is the fact that Kubo takes alot of breaks. |
Okay lets for a second say Toriko is a rip off of One Piece. That rip off is still a better product than what Kubo has been putting out. And it's not even just the sales. Look at the weekly shonen jump rankings. Toriko is consistently ahead of Bleach. |
The previous arc of Bleach was disappointing. Till the end of Aizen Arc, bleach was amazing. Fullbring arc was just like a filler arc in the anime. But with the new arc, the sales are picking up again and ONE bad year in 10 doesn't mean a series will lose its grip.
And I didn't mean Toriko was a straight rip off. But It's similarities to One Piece are so out there. And with WSJ promoting the manga so widely since Naruto and Bleach are ending, this "Toriko has replaced Bleach" is only gonna get bigger. Plus its only been out for sometime. It'd be interesting to see if it could survive in the top 5 like how the previous 3 did for over 10 years.
Fairytail is bland. I actually liked it but as time went I got so fed up over it as there was no constant story arc. It's just a bunch of small adventures. If they don't introduce an ACTUAL story, people will get tired of it. |
Bleach was already slipping by the end of the Aizen arc. Bleach started going downhill quality wise early into the Hueco Mundo arc when everything became extremely formulaic and drawn out. Bleach has become predictable, poorly paced drivel. Every once in a while Kubo puts out a really good chapter, but those weeks are few and far between.
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101nemesis
Joined: 17 Aug 2012
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:47 pm
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oblivious247 wrote: |
101nemesis wrote: |
oblivious247 wrote: |
101nemesis wrote: | I know I'm late in the discussion. But I just wanted to know why people keep on insisting that Toriko will replace Bleach. I mean its such a rip off from One Piece. And Bleach still sells more. The reason bleach wasn't in the top 10 of the 1st half of the year was cause Vol 55 released 3 days after that. Bleach was 15th on the list and had sold 1.49 million. Volume 55 sold approx around 610k. So technically it would have sold around 2 million and would have been 7th on the list or maybe even 6th.
Top 11-30 Best Selling Manga Series on Upper 2012
11, *1,655,367 Toriko
12, *1,617,572 Gintama
13, *1,561,339 Gin no Saji
14, *1,506,087 Inu x Boku SS
15, *1,499,322 Bleach
16, *1,493,600 SKET Dance
17, *1,475,848 Chihayafuru
18, *1,380,729 Thermae Romae
19, *1,197,198 Detective Conan
20, *1,186,572 Nurarihyon no Mago
21, *1,169,750 Ao no Exorcist
22, *1,084,554 Kyou, Koi wo Hajimemasu
23, **,998,116 Katekyo Hitman Reborn!
24, **,906,049 Natsume Yuujinchou
25, **,873,575 Danshi Koukousei no Nichijou
26, **,868,783 Ace of Diamond
27, **,865,600 Ao Haru Ride
28, **,847,868 Beelzebub
29, **,828,231 Gantz
30, **,821,173 Giant Killing
One of the major problems Bleach faces is the fact that Kubo takes alot of breaks. |
Okay lets for a second say Toriko is a rip off of One Piece. That rip off is still a better product than what Kubo has been putting out. And it's not even just the sales. Look at the weekly shonen jump rankings. Toriko is consistently ahead of Bleach. |
The previous arc of Bleach was disappointing. Till the end of Aizen Arc, bleach was amazing. Fullbring arc was just like a filler arc in the anime. But with the new arc, the sales are picking up again and ONE bad year in 10 doesn't mean a series will lose its grip.
And I didn't mean Toriko was a straight rip off. But It's similarities to One Piece are so out there. And with WSJ promoting the manga so widely since Naruto and Bleach are ending, this "Toriko has replaced Bleach" is only gonna get bigger. Plus its only been out for sometime. It'd be interesting to see if it could survive in the top 5 like how the previous 3 did for over 10 years.
Fairytail is bland. I actually liked it but as time went I got so fed up over it as there was no constant story arc. It's just a bunch of small adventures. If they don't introduce an ACTUAL story, people will get tired of it. |
Bleach was already slipping by the end of the Aizen arc. Bleach started going downhill quality wise early into the Hueco Mundo arc when everything became extremely formulaic and drawn out. Bleach has become predictable, poorly paced drivel. Every once in a while Kubo puts out a really good chapter, but those weeks are few and far between. |
I agree that the Hueco Mundo Arc was pretty formulaic. Ichigo loses and then he gets a power up and then he wins. But the new arc actually has had few big surprises in just 20 chapters. If you read, you'll know what I mean. So it's definitely broken the familiar approach.
But in the end, everything has a formula which is what made each series so good. People want to see that. One Piece, 90% of the fights, some dude does something to piss Luffy off and Luffy kicks his ass, up until Ace's death. Everyone loved how Luffy always won.
In the end that's what people wanna see.
Naruto is a series that had many twists tho and that's one reason why it was popular. One Piece nor Bleach had much twists. Bleach in fact had more twists than One Piece, until Ace's death.
And about Toriko isn't just my opinion. Before I even started, people told me how it takes so much from One Piece and how they weren't interested in it.
Like I said, it'd be interesting to see if it can keep its success going. Looking at sales/year, bleach is still ahead. Even popularity wise bleach is still ahead. There was a chart that I saw which still show Bleach One Piece and Naruto way ahead of others popularity wise.
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egoist
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:00 pm
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Milk iiiiiiiiit!
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SereneChaos
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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 1:53 pm
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101nemesis, use spoiler tags. They were created for a reason. -_-
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101nemesis
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