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Teriyaki Terrier wrote:

Souleater: I'll never forgive Crunchyroll. It's site's like that one that causes honest, hardworking people to lose their jobs. I'll agree with you the past may be the past, but that doesn't instantly justify Crunchyroll's criminal activity.

Criminal activity? Listen, I'm not a huge Crunchyroll fan, but they never did anything illegal. If you want to call them criminals, then I hope you also lump Youtube, Veoh, etc. into that category.

souleater wrote:

but they never did anything illegal.

Hosting fansubs (knowingly), and charging money for privileged access to said fansubs? Sounds pretty illegal to me, and immoral to.

Well, I finally finished all of the videos that were featured for Global Shinkai Day.

All of them made me close to tears. I'll be sad when I have to eventually navigate away from the page I'm currently on. That means I can't watch it anymore. At least, for the remainder of the night.

I also agree with Richard J. (go Richards!) about the first time experience watching something on Crunchyroll. I can't really agree with anything else on the post, because I haven't experienced ADV's dub and currently do not know about Crunchyroll's past; thus, I had no reason not to be eager. However, I can say that young Akari sounded... unnatural. She-kept-on speak-ing-in-a-beat. It's like hearing a song with only quarter notes with stacatos. She sounded more natural as she became adult Akari.

edzieba wrote:

Hosting fansubs (knowingly), and charging money for privileged access to said fansubs? Sounds pretty illegal to me, and immoral to.

Think youtube and veoh don't know about the illegal content on their sites? The DMCA isn't the greatest law in the world, but it protects sites such as these from litigation.

If you want to talk about morality and legality, why not start with the distribution of fansubs in general?

uchuuace wrote:

Regarding the all-new dub, CoMix Wave Films elected to create a new dub to be more true to the original Japanese. This was not an issue of quality of the acting from the ADV Films version, but rather a translation/presentation issue. CoMix Wave Films is looking forward to people's feedback on it.

Cheers,

Rob

Okay, I don't get this. From what I can tell from doing a side-by-side comparison with the ADV DVD release, the ADV dub is actually much more faithful to the original dialogue than the new one. The subtitles on the subbed Crunchy Roll stream btw appear identical to those on the DVD release, so assuming those are accurate, then this makes no sense. The new dub is most definitely not truer to the original Japanese, so I wonder what the real deal is then. Perhaps they actuallly thought the ADV dub was too literal? Weird.

souleater wrote:

Think youtube and veoh don't know about the illegal content on their sites?

Veoh I'm not familiar with, ut Youtube are generally pretty quick to take down content, especially given the incredible quantity that is uploaded. Crunchyroll advertised themselves as a place to watch fansubs. It's one thing to be unable to remove selected uploaded videos among a swath of others, and it;s another to build your business model around encouraging users to upload said videos, then claiming Safe Harbour when called on it. It still astounds me that any licenseholder would touch crunchyroll with a 10 foot pole (or that any user would be foolish enough to give them money in the first place, leading to this whole mess).

edzieba wrote:

souleater wrote:

but they never did anything illegal.

Hosting fansubs (knowingly), and charging money for privileged access to said fansubs? Sounds pretty illegal to me, and immoral to.

Thank you, this is what I was getting at. There is no justification for any of those activities.

Wow! 5cm gets me every time! I just watched the new dub version and it wasn't half bad. I noticed slight dialogue changes here and there, but something seemed a bit off and I couldn't put my finger on what it was until I read this thread. Two others mentioned that the flow was off,and I realized that's what it was. I thought the VA's did a very good job, but those roles will always belong to David, Hilary, and Serena in my heart.

If this version is released on DVD (or BD please please!) I will buy it at the very least to support Shinkai's beautiful works.

edzieba wrote:

Veoh I'm not familiar with, ut Youtube are generally pretty quick to take down content, especially given the incredible quantity that is uploaded. Crunchyroll advertised themselves as a place to watch fansubs. It's one thing to be unable to remove selected uploaded videos among a swath of others, and it;s another to build your business model around encouraging users to upload said videos, then claiming Safe Harbour when called on it. It still astounds me that any licenseholder would touch crunchyroll with a 10 foot pole (or that any user would be foolish enough to give them money in the first place, leading to this whole mess).

Veoh is supposedly pretty miserable about taking down content in a timely manner. Youtube is pretty good, but there's still so much infringing content on the site.

Believe it or not, all of them had a business model based on the safe harbor provisions for user-uploaded content. All are legal under the current laws of the US (as long as they take down content when asked, which they all do).

Of course crunchyroll has a new business model now, and in my opinion it's leaps and bounds better

souleater wrote:

edzieba wrote:

Veoh I'm not familiar with, ut Youtube are generally pretty quick to take down content, especially given the incredible quantity that is uploaded. Crunchyroll advertised themselves as a place to watch fansubs. It's one thing to be unable to remove selected uploaded videos among a swath of others, and it;s another to build your business model around encouraging users to upload said videos, then claiming Safe Harbour when called on it. It still astounds me that any licenseholder would touch crunchyroll with a 10 foot pole (or that any user would be foolish enough to give them money in the first place, leading to this whole mess).

Veoh is supposedly pretty miserable about taking down content in a timely manner. Youtube is pretty good, but there's still so much infringing content on the site.

Believe it or not, all of them had a business model based on the safe harbor provisions for user-uploaded content. All are legal under the current laws of the US (as long as they take down content when asked, which they all do).

Of course crunchyroll has a new business model now, and in my opinion it's leaps and bounds better

youtube will cease to exist in the near future unless they find some corporate way of weathering out the storm they are currently creating they only became the site they are because it was a place to see otherwise impossible to find video's IE: uploaded fandom videos. google tried to create a competing site which had very strict copy right rules and the site is effectively dead so they bought youtube now they are turning youtube into google video which is quickly killing the sites appeal to its largest fan base.

they are literally cutting their own juggler and no percentage of pro copyright fans will be even close to the total loss of those who don't care about copyrights as the site keeps removing more and more content from youtube only to leave the lame homemade junk and the porno<< which also gets removed.

while youtube dies some person will open a site based in south america where US and euro copyright laws are ignored and they will replace youtube meanwhile google will lose tens of millions of dollars in advertising revenue and the hardcore copyright fans wont be one iota closer to removing licensed content from the net.

darkhappy1 wrote:

I also agree with Richard J. (go Richards!) about the first time experience watching something on Crunchyroll.

Because of your avatar, I'm hearing this in a soft and eerie Rena voice. So cool. Love Higurashi.

Voices of a Distant Star always makes me cry. Even the manga version made me cry. The Place Promised in Our Early Days gets the water-works going too. Something about Shinkai's work really speaks to me. I think it's great to see a site, any site, promote it.

The one thing that bothers me is the short length of their streaming in general and this special in particular. I don't think $3 or $5 bucks is that much to download an episode but when you add it up, it amounts to about the price of a DVD collection. Kinda wish they had infinite length streams. (Especially since the next thing I'd like to watch is Strike Witches and that's on DL only. Still hoping to see a license announcement for that one.)

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souleater wrote:

Teriyaki Terrier wrote:

Souleater: I'll never forgive Crunchyroll. It's site's like that one that causes honest, hardworking people to lose their jobs. I'll agree with you the past may be the past, but that doesn't instantly justify Crunchyroll's criminal activity.

Criminal activity? Listen, I'm not a huge Crunchyroll fan, but they never did anything illegal. If you want to call them criminals, then I hope you also lump Youtube, Veoh, etc. into that category.

edzieba wrote:

Hosting fansubs (knowingly), and charging money for privileged access to said fansubs? Sounds pretty illegal to me, and immoral to.

Unfortunately crunchyroll had users uploading fansubs and abridged series for a while,although they finally going legit,the damage is already done for some people.Also the lack of any english dubs are a big turn off for me. Luckily this news will help out in that issue.Hopefully there's more dub versions on crunchyroll.

Now if only those fools at youtube,veoh,megavideo and myspace video would do the same cause there's still fansubs and illegal streaming going on on those sites.

As for the series,the're fine. and Bang Zoom's dub are as sharp as ever though i do want to see the ADV version.

Also it's probably the 1st thread that for once, it has ZERO anti JYB posts cause those were running amock on the bleach review threads and it was worse on the code geass thread. Hopefully this will make people back off of him for once. Hopefully.

Either way the dubs are definately the reason i'm going to get it on DVD

jr0904 wrote:

Now if only those fools at youtube,veoh,megavideo and myspace video would do the same cause there's still fansubs and illegal streaming going on on those sites.

Some series there get taken down a few days after being uploaded, the perpetrators being given strict warnings by the licence holders.
Other series can remain lingering there, especially the less popular ones from the beginning of the decade. Perhaps that's only coincidental though. I have a feeling the time taken for something on those sites to be taken down depends on who owns the series' rights.

Ture enough cause i've seen every series licensed by sunrise that gets upload on veoh,gets removed 2 days later and that users account closed.

Unfortunately that's not the case for myspace videos cause a lot of people are using myspace videos to post them and place them on private,then embedded them on streaming sites.

So unless they sue the pants off of myspace and hold them accountable,it won't go away any time soon.

jr0904 wrote:

As for the series,the're fine. and Bang Zoom's dub are as sharp as ever though i do want to see the ADV version.

Also it's probably the 1st thread that for once, it has ZERO anti JYB posts cause those were running amock on the bleach review threads and it was worse on the code geass thread. Hopefully this will make people back off of him for once. Hopefully.

Either way the dubs are definately the reason i'm going to get it on DVD

You don't want to see the ADV dub, lawl. And yeah, if JYB doesn't OVERACT and performs like he did in this one, I'd be glad to continue to give him his due credit. He needs more roles like this.

That doesn't stop Akari's VA from sucking, though. Which is a real shame and makes the overall dub (since she's, well, 1/3 of the characters) that much worse.

The dub may not sell this to everyone, but if they're smart...DEFINITELY Artbooks + Original Soundtrack packaged together will. That would be so amazing.

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