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penguintruth
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"HUHR DUHR EVANGELION IS OVERRATED, AMICOOL YET?"
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xia83
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Anime fans...
We're everywhere. |
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GATSU
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sailor: It's only original if you haven't seen Akira, Guyver, or Patlabor.
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Teriyaki Terrier
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I too disagree. EVA is the most well thought anime I've ever seen in all my eight years of wathching anime. The series is entirely original and well worth being called a masterpiece. Everyone has their own opinions and tastes (even if they are completely off base), but I still respect others opinions. Enjoying anime to the fullest wouldn't be as fun if I didn't. |
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darthbalmung
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First, wanting to believe in NGE is scary, there is nothing even remotely cheerful about it.
Second, NGE really is overrated, it started out all right but it just ended so badly no matter which ending you go with. Not to mention that all of the Christian symbols were just to make it look cool. |
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penguintruth
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Very insightful, but somewhat short of the whole picture. Kazuya Tsurumaki's statements that Gainax staff chose Christian symbolism specifically for Neon Genesis Evangelion merely means that there isn't any Christian meaning to them, not that there isn't any meaning. I wish people would stop repeating his statements as if they dissolve any of the significant detail put into the scenes and the imagery used to convey the director's messages. It smacks of the usual "to cool for school" Evangelion detractor attitude, the so-called opinions of people with no real arguments of their own. I would agree that Evangelion is not something I wished was real, though. I imagine it would be frightening to live in that world. |
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sailorsean
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Oh I've seen Akira and I loved it, and I checked out the First OVA of Guyver a few years ago, before I watched EVA though Guyver really didn't grab my attention like EVA did, (thats why I stopped at the first OVA series) and I still don't understand how you could compare Guyver to EVA at all, the plot is not similar at all... Your just grouping all mecha/fighting shows into one, "Oh if you haven't seen this show then this other show isn't even considered original at all!" What a stupid remark... You can maybe compare EVA to Akira but in terms of what? The human psyche? Is that all?... now I haven't seen Patlabor so I don't really know... but from what your saying is that If I haven't seen Patlabor that its not original? Though I've just went on Wikipedia to find out what the plot is about and let me tell you something... It's no Neon Genesis Evangelion 
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GATSU
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sean:
Except for the breastplates which shoot fire and the robot getting out of control when the kid gets knocked out, sure. 
Kid blowing up everyone, because he's angry, girl who gets sucked up in an organic mass, scientists to be blamed for the earth being destroyed, etc.
Check out the first movie before saying that. |
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TokyoGetter
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Thanks. |
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dewlwieldthedarpachief
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GATSU: archetypes predate recorded history; if you mean to suggest that originality, being the conception of ideas never thought before, is a reasonable goal for any modern artist then I can't even imagine how disappointed you will be for the rest of your life, lol.
If you mean original in that there is something that is progression of old ideas however, you're giving Eva the short end of the stick. You've probably heard until your ears bled by now how revolutionary and blah blah it was for it's time, so it's odd that you'd go out of your way to say otherwise. I do recall hearing about a show that Eva ripped off, but even in that case it's back to a question of what was done with the content and not how new the content is. A lot of excellent shows are in terms of content blatantly unoriginal: directors like Miyazaki, Oshii, and Kon cover a lot of common ground within their personal and external spheres of work; yet despite being repetitive in some ways they are at the top of the anime food chain insofar as most people are concerned. Perhaps it's the refinement of good ideas into great ones that gives so much to their works? |
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GATSU
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del:
It's not odd to say it, because it wasn't revolutionary. Anno's the Tarantino of anime; he just picks and chooses ideas he's seen on tv and home video, and pretends he came up with them on his own.
That's because those directors have a sense of purpose to their work. |
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dewlwieldthedarpachief
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That's fine, but unless you want to demonstrate that there is an actual difference between Anno's usage of ideas to his ends and the usage of ideas by Kon et al to their ends it becomes a matter of opinion as to who is more sophisticated or whatever.
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penguintruth
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And you get this impression from what? Evangelion seems to me like a work that is very aware of its roots. Are there other Anno-directed works you want to point to? Come to think of it, Tarantino doesn't really present his works as complete originals, either. But Tarantino's works don't have the vision that Anno's do. Tarantino merely rearranges pop culture. Anno uses time honored tropes and composes them in a fashion that reveals his personal perspective. Not to say that this "vision" is any great thing- we're talking giant robot cartoons with a little insight on modern society, mostly. But I don't think he presents them any other way. |
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Zac
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My god, the irony is absolutely f**king mindblowing |
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penguintruth
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I was waiting until you pointed that out, Zac.
But the difference is, hating Wes Anderson movies isn't some tired internet meme, and I can actually support my arguments about his movies if prodded. |
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