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Sariachan



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:32 pm Reply with quote
People are lazy, because as there are fansubs of FMA (first series) on internet, so there are scanlations of the manga. Razz

Also, many think that the manga is like the anime, or not much different, since they both start and develop, for the first events, in nearly the same exact way.

I read (and buy) the official, Italian publication of the manga, though, so I'm not up to the Japanese chapters (I read up to volume 19, and the 20th one is going to come out by the end of this month; we have a volume each 4 months).
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 12:55 pm Reply with quote
I've read the manga but it failed to impress me - to the extent that by the time the anime started I pretty much forgot about having read it before. *shrug* Needless to say, I enjoyed the anime much more.
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cnav wrote:
sariachan has a point....i think I've told this many times before but ill say it again..im from india and there is no market for anime here..no merchandise available here..so all i have to do is to rely on fansubs...think about others too , fansub haters.


See I have a fine solution for this, see as a fan of Full Metal Alchemist that you say you are, it is very likely to be released here in the R1 market and kinda a well duh they are going to release in in the R2 market. Obviusoly you would need the appropriate player or a way to convert the R1 or R2 to a format that will play on your player. Now if say for example the subs are not in a language you understand or lack of subs, both allow you to watch in unedited (generally with R1's) Japanese. Now as part of the conversion process, (I'm not familiar with your area in terms of "fair use") under fair use you could get a translated script and an easy to use subbing program and sub a copy for your self for your personal use berfore you burn it to whatever media you are transferring it to (and don't even think of releasing it to 10,000+ of your closest friends, I'm talking you only here). So this "My anime market where I live is to small" is mighty small leaf to me as it can be worked around, if your willing to invest in it.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:50 pm Reply with quote
Obviously there's going to be fansubs. Obviously there's going to be a licensed version. For those who can buy it, they should. For those who can only download it, I'm not going to condemn them for it.

I'm waiting for my boxset of the second half of the first series to be delivered to me today. Damn it, where is it?


Edit: It's here! Awesumo.
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Sariachan



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:34 pm Reply with quote
LordRedhand wrote:
cnav wrote:
sariachan has a point....i think I've told this many times before but ill say it again..im from india and there is no market for anime here..no merchandise available here..so all i have to do is to rely on fansubs...think about others too , fansub haters.


See I have a fine solution for this, see as a fan of Full Metal Alchemist that you say you are, it is very likely to be released here in the R1 market and kinda a well duh they are going to release in in the R2 market. Obviusoly you would need the appropriate player or a way to convert the R1 or R2 to a format that will play on your player. Now if say for example the subs are not in a language you understand or lack of subs, both allow you to watch in unedited (generally with R1's) Japanese. Now as part of the conversion process, (I'm not familiar with your area in terms of "fair use") under fair use you could get a translated script and an easy to use subbing program and sub a copy for your self for your personal use berfore you burn it to whatever media you are transferring it to (and don't even think of releasing it to 10,000+ of your closest friends, I'm talking you only here). So this "My anime market where I live is to small" is mighty small leaf to me as it can be worked around, if your willing to invest in it.

It sounds a bit too complicated for me... ^^'
Really, fansubs is overrated... overrated as a problem I mean.
All the people I know that watch fansubs (myself included) are the ones that, at the very end, spend the most on manga and anime, or that couldn't spend more on that anyway.


P.S. The rumours about a new FMA trailer were false, we'll have to wait about one week for the next one, I guess. Sad
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penguintruth



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:42 pm Reply with quote
Sariachan wrote:
P.S. The rumours about a new FMA trailer were false, we'll have to wait about one week for the next one, I guess. Sad


They have been coming every other week, so yeah, probably next week.

I'm usually watching Gundam 00 as it's airing in Japan, and that's when they premiere those commercials. I'll keep an eye out.
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LordRedhand



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 6:36 pm Reply with quote
Sariachan wrote:

It sounds a bit too complicated for me... ^^'
Really, fansubs is overrated... overrated as a problem I mean.
All the people I know that watch fansubs (myself included) are the ones that, at the very end, spend the most on manga and anime, or that couldn't spend more on that anyway.


P.S. The rumours about a new FMA trailer were false, we'll have to wait about one week for the next one, I guess. Sad


First to your points,

First you agree that if you took the time and effort to do this, all that you have done would be in support to the industry and would help keep it going. The fact that subbing yourself has become easier and cheaper also helps, as basically the method I outlined, yeah that was how fansubs used to be made, so it's not some deep or complicated process if you put in the time and effort for it.

Now as to fansubs being an overrated issue, as a fan what else can I do to help with the admitted other problems that the industry faces. With their other problems, I can't really do a whole lot, so that is why I focus on this, it is a problem that fans can do something about directly and immediately.

Simply put I'm asking for patience, you obviously are a fan of Full Metal Alchemist, you don't need to be sold on this remake, you can probably feel 90%+ confident of buying it blind and it being a good entertainment for you. To my knowledge no one has gotten grave physical or mental harm because the could not watch anime as soon as it was available, so its not some vital need, you can wait.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:08 pm Reply with quote
...is it gust me or does the characters design is different in each frame Confused
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larethian



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:16 pm Reply with quote
Electrastar wrote:
*Sigh* if only they had had done this the first time around instead of releasing an anime when the original manga's storyline was still too short to make an anime...

The characters look like the original manga designs a lot more, except that I find the way they color their hair to be a little weird.

If you take a look at the characters, more we're added. Before, they ended at Hugues, now you have: Lust, Gluttony, Envy and Scar.

I'm still not pleased with the new cast, but, I'll watch it anyway Very Happy


The divergence of the anime from the manga in the first season was purely intentional and was at the request of the author. This was published in Newtype magazine in Jan 2006.
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cnav



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:00 am Reply with quote
drdr48 wrote:
...is it gust me or does the characters design is different in each frame Confused

hey new artists are the reason for that . And the drawin style is different too . The colourin style is a bit different too . I guess you people didn't notice that roy's uniform is of different colour . Its looks green in the latest scans .
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:50 am Reply with quote
cnav wrote:
drdr48 wrote:
...is it gust me or does the characters design is different in each frame Confused

hey new artists are the reason for that . And the drawin style is different too . The colourin style is a bit different too . I guess you people didn't notice that roy's uniform is of different colour . Its looks green in the latest scans .


No no no... you dont understand. what i meant was that the design of the characters is different in each frame of the teaser.

compare all the times that Ed appears in the teaser, for example.
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Sariachan



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:31 am Reply with quote
I guess that they are frames taken from the actual anime, and the ED and/or opening and ending, so the style can be a little different.

Also, since they are stiking to the manga more, this time, it could happen that in the anime frames temselves the style will change a little from time to time, like it happens in the manga.
It's a matter of "mood": in comical moments, for examples, in some manga the character design tend to be more deformed, if not completed super deformed, while in dramatic moments it changes a bit to a more serious way.


By the way, there are new info about the ending song by SID release in the official Hagaren website: http://www.hagaren.jp/products/cd.html

I can't read Japanese, but apparently it's is about different versions of the CD, some of the will be with a DVD and, I guess, it will contain the anime CM(s)?
And this is a fact, not just an opinion.



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LordRedhand wrote:
Now as to fansubs being an overrated issue, as a fan what else can I do to help with the admitted other problems that the industry faces. With their other problems, I can't really do a whole lot, so that is why I focus on this, it is a problem that fans can do something about directly and immediately.

Simply put I'm asking for patience, you obviously are a fan of Full Metal Alchemist, you don't need to be sold on this remake, you can probably feel 90%+ confident of buying it blind and it being a good entertainment for you. To my knowledge no one has gotten grave physical or mental harm because the could not watch anime as soon as it was available, so its not some vital need, you can wait.

First, I can't talk about others, but I don't have the skills or the time to fansub the anime I watch myself. Also, I don't watch anime weekly, I always wait for the series to end, so it isn't a matter of impatience for me.
Still, I usually watch the first episodes to check if I like what they are doing, then I wait for the anime to finish, or at least, for a story arc to finish for the longer shows.

But I wouldn't condemn who watches anime weekly, since let's face it: this is the internet era, and if you don't want to be spoiled, you must follow some really popular show "in real time".
It isn't vital, but if we lived only to eat and reproduce, than we could not live at all, since it would be boring. Wink

Anyway, the core argument is that, while you do see fansubs as I problem, I don't, since it helped me to know new series, of which I buy merchandise and manga as much as I can (even if I didn't buy the DVDs themselves, for reasons I already explained; there are exceptions of course).
If I didn't watch those anime thanks to fansubbers, I wouldn't have bought said manga and merchandise, therefore thanks to them people like me support the industry more and not less like people against fansubs believe.
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cnav



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:43 am Reply with quote
100 percent agreement with sariachan . If people here have problems with fansubs , then all i can advice you to do is complain Smile and just hope for some loser company to pick the title up . Well i don't have any problems with fansubs , some cheap minded freak might say thats because its free . Well for your kind information , thats not the reason . Its just because that is the only way i can get anime's in this country . And i prefer subs over dubs . Licensin companies should improve their quality first and then start licensing . Makin attractive box sets will not be enough to cover their low quality . As you can't judge a book by its cover .
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:44 am Reply with quote
100 percent agreement with sariachan . If people here have problems with fansubs , then all i can advice you to do is complain Smile and just hope for some loser company to pick the title up . Well i don't have any problems with fansubs , some cheap minded freak might say thats because its free . Well for your kind information , thats not the reason . Its just because that is the only way i can get anime's in this country . And i prefer subs over dubs . Licensin companies should improve their quality first and then start licensing . Makin attractive box sets will not be enough to cover their low quality . As you can't judge a book by its cover .
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Sariachan



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:48 am Reply with quote
Thanks for the understanding cnav, but I must add that not all the companies that license anime are "losers". But I can only talk about Italian ones, of course, since I only have experience about them.

In my Country, there is at least one good one, and I do buy anime DVDs from them.

I would rather buy the original Japanese DVDs, though, but they don't usually add English subtitles (the only other language I can read almost as well as my native one). Sad
And when they do, it's on things I'm not interested on (*cough* FMA movie *cough* Razz ).
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