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darkhappy1
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*sigh* Okay guys. If you read the last 8 pages (which I have done because I am a lazy procrastinator in real life), you would see that everyone already addressed the Toradora! issue, and Brian has already told us that he only watched the first episode when he wrote the article. It was a first impression. He didn't know there was more depth, so he probably thought that it was going to stay the same for most of the show. A simple mistake.
However, he does know what he's talking about... At least, most of the time. The statement about Toradora! was off-topic; thus, if he omitted that out, then most of the answers he gave would be acceptable. Again, I said most. I am aware of the light novel demographic arguement in this thread. Also, I think someone just tried to insult ANN by using this Answerman article! Wonderful work! Just so that the person knows, the staff actually do watch anime! A lot, really. They actually discuss about anime and have worthwhile things to say! Chicks on Anime, anyone? Yeah, they talk about anime. They have some great discussions too! Also, anime is sold on the market, and the market has issues! Connection? Plus, the news articles are worth reading when you actually want some news! Yeah, I'm not adding the "@(insert username here) because I don't really want to. |
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Gewürtztraminer
 Posts: 1028 Location: Texas - Its like whole other country. |
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I am plowing through Yurusei Yatsura on Netflix, currently in the episode 40-48 range. Some of the animation they pull off is quite stunning. The first year was pretty choppy, but the second year, wow, money makes the difference. There are fluid shots and angles that I have not seen attempted with even the best CGI help recently. Still the character designs are 80's but the flow of the scene I have not seen duplicated on any recent TV anime. |
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varmintx
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enurtsol
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Most consensus I encounter among seasoned fans about Toradora run along the lines:
"Good series. Didn't live up to its potential, though. I wish they had gone with a less cliche pairing...." "I liked it, but I'm not ecstatic about it. 8 out of 10 for effort...." "It started off well, but I've come to feel that the scripting is rather weak. The series has a strong set of characters, which is more than can be said for many 'school anime,' and I think that the characters are being let down by some poor scripting." Basically, great start but didn't live up to the potential of the early episodes, thus keeping it just in the realm of good. (Kinda how Gatsu probably feels about WALL-E.  )
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Iniksbane
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Not entirely sure why I'm doing this, but I thought I'd through my two cents in about Giant Robot shows.
I always find it wierd and slightly disconcerting whenever anyone asks if a genre is "dead." This seems to be something which is limited to anime and gaming fans. I don't hear movie fans complain about how horror is dead or how mystery is dead or how drama is dead. All of those genres have been around a lot longer then giant robots. Second, no giant robot shows are not dead. To be honest, they won't die until the war epic or the coming of age story dies. Considering the war epic dates back to Greece and the coming of age story dates back to Charles Dickens (arguably you could say King Arthur here), I doubt your going to see the end of teenage boys finding giant robots hidden in underground bunkers in secret laboratories. Now personally, I have a short list of what I consider great giant robot shows (RahXephon, VOTOMS, Macross, Evangelion, the first season of Code Geass.) But as long as there's a type of story which can have giant robots added to it, I doubt the genre is going anywhere. On a side note, I'm not entirely convinced giant robot shows are a genre per se. Although I'm sure people would disagree with me. |
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Key
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There are so many things here that I strongly disagree with that I don't know where to start, so I won't. All I'll say is that these statements are definitely not the consensus amongst the "seasoned fans" around this site who have been watching it out. |
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enurtsol
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Actually, as any old-skool Urusei Yatsura fans know, it's not the money - it's the change in direction.
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Gewürtztraminer
Posts: 1028 Location: Texas - Its like whole other country. |
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What is kinda funny, is I opened up another browser to Neflix to double check the spelling the last half of Urusei, nevermind I got the first part wrong. Still, fluid pan shots and zooms from angles you just do not see anymore. I am making a list of episodes to pick up, I can not afford it all. |
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Dorcas_Aurelia
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Lol. There's no way they could have had a pairing that WASN'T cliche. The guy could have ended up with: the tsundere the classmate he was pining for the beautiful idol who transfers to his school Yeah, Minori might be slightly less of a cliche, except that she's the one he's after from the start, and it might not be cliche exactly, but it's at least as common as the other two options. It's not about the destination, it's about the journey. |
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kakoishii
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It's the consensus of this fan and the consensus of any fan willing to admit there are flaws in a show they like and not just fans blinded by the "lovulovu" aspect of it all. Toradora had a great start, one that made me think "my god there's actually a tsundere anime that's bearable to watch?!" It went in all sorts of different directions and actually created complex and interesting side characters something most shows of its genre won't do outside of the core couple. However its downfall lies in its namesake "toradora." You see it's almost like the writers got so tied up in coming up with something different and new and exciting in the tsundere romance comedy that someone had to come in and tell them around episode 18 "hey guys, the tsundere is supposed to end up with the lead guy what are you doing?" So in a desperate feeble, rushed, poorly written attempt to reroute to the cliche ending they had to sink all the ships beside the main one and have the dolt of the male lead have a last minute epiphany to make this all work out. There was no care or delicacy given to it and what you're left with are dead end well developed side stories that were swept aside and burnt up to make room for the ending that was "supposed" to happen, and that my friend is the main drawback of toradora that keeps it from being great and leaves it being only good. |
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reanimator
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I have to say that you made mistakes on Satoshi Kon's works. Perfect Blue is based from a novel by Yoshikazu Takeuchi. Tokyo Godfather is not based directly from John Ford movie, but it's safer say that "Tokyo Godfathers" was inspired by John Ford's "3 Godfathers" movie. |
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Mad_Scientist
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I tried to avoid reading too much of your post, as I didn't want to have the ending of a potentially interesting series spoiled. But I will simply say that from those sentences alone, your post reeks of arogance. If someone has a different opinion than you, somehow they are automatically blind? |
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enurtsol
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I thought it was Ep #19 that broke the camel's back, like this guy who started out enjoying with high expectations for the series but ended up having to lower them. (He samples pretty much most series each season for more than a decade - and no, he doesn't watch fansubs. )
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Tu101uk
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Sadly, for a series that is my absolute favourite, it COMPLETELY slipped my mind... T.T I must be getting old... Or my memory really sucks (which it does  )...
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Stretch2424
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I watched Toradora loyally up until episode 18, but then decided that it just wasn't worth my time anymore and gave up on it. It seemed that the romances weren't going anywhere, they would take one step forward then immediately take one step back, which was frustrating. I wasn't getting any sense of anything changing in an interesting, intriguing way. I thought the comedy wasn't good enough to compensate, so I just quit altogether--and I very seldom give up on a series which I'm more than halfway through.
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