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kakoishii
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I don't wish to side track this forum any longer either. I guess the major differences in the conception of how this series is viewed as a whole is based primarily on the fact that we visit two separate forums to discuss toradora. The ANN is obviously devoid of any critics (or from how you make it seem very few that they've scuttle to the minority). Whilst the one I visit is split in half or at the very least is working in a strong 1/3 to 2/3 minority, however ever since the 24th episode in the forum I visit it has stepped over to at least half with the many dissatisfied with the pacing and events of episode 24. I could go on and on but neither of us are going to agree with each other, it's one of the reason why I had hoped no one would open that can worms and reply back to my post with something along the lines of "you're wrong!" using arguments I've seen before. I've seen them I've counter them and people either choose to agree or disagree with my counter. For me the major drawback of Taiga and Ryuuji's relationship is spoiler[their development doesn't appear to be of the romantic sort. Ryuuji had taken care of her like a father or a brother making their relationship seem very platonic, filial, or paternal. To me the shift to romantic around the end of episode 18, isn't done very smoothly. You can disagree and say that it was romantic all along, but I just don't see it.] Also the one thing I can't stand in any romance anime is spoiler[other characters getting their hearts thrown in the shredder in the name of the main couple. I understand what you were saying with it being different to keep those couples in play longer, however to me it wasn't justified. I had gotten to know and love this characters to the point where I wished them well, the last thing I wanted to see was their relationships used as plot devices to further the end of the main couple. It just seems cruel to me. Anyway again you can disagree with me if you like, it's just honestly something I think could've been done without while still amounting to the same end.] Anyway that's all I'll say more and hope this thread will either die or go more back on topic. |
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Key
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!?!?!?!? Okay, sorry, but you really don't know what you're talking about here, and coming in here tossing around comments like this which denigrate this site's forumites (because of course the forums you regularly populate are oh so superior and have the exactly correct outlook on things) isn't going to win you any friends. In the interest of keeping things civil, that's all the more I'd better let myself say about this. Just check out our Anime Forum's thread about the series and see what you think. |
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kakoishii
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you're completely misunderstanding me.... when I said devoid of critics I meant obviously they're aren't very many people that're are at odds with the series. I gathered that from the way to reacted to my objection with the later half of the series. Also when I mentioned that at the forum I frequent many people were dissatisfied with how episode 24 went you directed me to the forums on this board to show that I might be mistaken. I'm not sure how you got that I was saying the forum I frequent is superior, you're jumping to conclusions and putting words into my mouth now. This is getting exasperating, I'm not even sure how you misconstrued what I said If I was so inclined to horde the forum I frequent to discuss toradora over your head I would have left links to it like you have more than once in your post. As you can see I have not, and that's because on the whole, the forum I visit is irrelevant to our disagreement in so far as I've only been using it to discuss how many people I've come across who've had similar qualms as me. I'm starting to question whether I should take this conversation seriously anymore. Are you just looking to start a fight and find a reason to disagree with me or are you trying to understand where I'm coming from? Because I assure you I've only been relaying my thoughts and show you where I'm coming from and I assumed you were doing the same, but now it just seems as though you're tying to find reasons to disagree with me. It seems you digging at subtext in my posts that doesn't actually exist. EDIT: I now reread your quote of my post and am now noticing what you thought I was saying. Did you think I was saying ANN the site is devoid of critics? If that's so that's a typo on my part it should have read ANN forums for above reasons stated. On a site called Anime News Network where many of the staff write columns on anime series of course there are plenty of critics. Brian himself is a critic of sorts. Sorry if my typo made you misunderstand, that isn't what I was saying. Anyway I guess the take home message I was trying to convey is each forum is different and each forum has a different diversity of opinions regarding any anime series or otherwise. The ANN forum apparently is mostly positive regarding toradora, the forum I frequent is also positive but apparently on the lower end of positive in relation to the ANN forum. There's probably plenty of other forums that neither of us visit where the opinion is most negative or otherwise. Anyway this has been blown out of proportion. My olive branch has been extended since last post all you need to do is reach out and accept it and we can let this whole thing go. |
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Key
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If that's what you were trying to get at then I have no issue here and am willing to drop the matter, too. You should be a bit more careful with your choice of words in the future, though, as that seems to be the root of the problem both here and with the "consensus" matter earlier. (The anime gods know that I've taken heat in past reviews for writing a comment in a way that was easily misconstrued. ) |
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UtenaAnthy
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I agree, not in the sense of "girls and bright colours go together", but that it makes it look more youth friendly, and that just generally makes the show seem more appealing and exciting as opposed to just solidly well made for those unsure as to whether they'd like it. I don't think that's an absolute component of our species' thought processes, but I do think that we tend to associate bright colours with cheerfulness, and also perhaps modernity as, particularly for children, school uniforms have tended to use subdued hues, so bright colours do appeal to kids perhaps partly because they mean "this isn't to do with school and the traditions and following adults that often go with that." Sorry if this seems overanalytical, I just thought about it. Was Yawara originally seinen then? I honestly thought it was shoujo, or at least shonen, based on the subject matter and content (female main character with a bit of tournament structure). |
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enurtsol
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Well, rankings tend to spike in the beginning because the people who tend to vote early are those who are obviously already interested and still watching the series, while those who already dropped out and thus no longer watching tend not to vote because they may feel unjustified to vote having not seen much of the series. (Heck, if there was voting when NG Eva was airing, I don't doubt it would've been #1 early easily.) It's not till weeks or months later, after the initial euphoria, letting the series percolate and settle in one's system, and when the rest of the population who aren't as interested as early adopters finally get the time to watch it (obviously it takes some time since it's lower in their priorities) - that's when it settles down to reflect the series' truer place in fandom. (I wonder where NG Eva finally settled anyways....) |
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zhir
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I don't know why you have to say you wonder. After all, you're on the site right now. Here they are though: Seen in part or in whole by 10941 users, rank: #4 Median rating: Excellent Arithmetic mean: 8.3631 (Very good+.36), std. dev.: 1.99, rank: #204 Weighted mean: 8.2259 (Very good+.22), rank: #202 Bayesian estimate: 8.22491 (Very good+.22), rank: #123 I do agree that new shows have inflated ratings though. Geass R2 is currently ranked ludicrously highly, and will probably settle a good ways down. |
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Iniksbane
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[quote="Vicserr"]
Well to be fair, it's simple. When you look at a genre there are always common elements. For example, a murder mystery always has an unsolved murder, a fantasy always has a fantastical world, a science fiction novel generally has some sort of scientific development. Mecha shows have big robots. So yes, there's a common element there, but on the other hand if I were to look at a show like FMP and then at a show like VOTOMS, what do they have in common? Big robots. The question isn't so much is Mecha a genre, but how cohesive of a genre is it? I realize it has a long history and there are a lot of show which are a lot closer to each other than FMP and VOTOMS, but those divisions exist. The thing is, this is good for Mecha because really you can throw big robots into anything. Got a war epic? Throw some big robots into it. (Gundam, Macross, etc.) Got a coming of age story? Throw some big robots into it. (Gundam, Macross, etc.) Got a hard-boiled noir action story? Throw some big robots into it. (VOTOMS) Got a fantasy/man against his environment? Throw some big robots into it. (Escaflowne) Got a teenage romance? Throw some big robots into it. (Gunparade March) Got a psychological exploration? Throw some big robots into it. (Evangelion, RahXephon, Gasaraki) And you get Mecha. Now you're right most Mecha shows tend to fall into the war epic/coming of age categories. But since VOTOMS and especially since Evangelion, Mecha has become a more and more amorphous genre. Which, I suppose, to answer the main question, is why Mecha is right now the most vibrant genre (outside of shounen romance) and why most of the anime we see tends to fall towards those categories. That's why I was thinking maybe Mecha isn't a genre per se, but just an element added to other genres. |
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zhir
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You can say the same thing about SF. You have space opera (IE:Starship Operators and LoGH) which is probably what most people think of, but you also have GitS: SAC which is a police procedural; the Patlabor TV series, a sitcom; Cowboy Bebop, a western/jazz/noir show; Crest/Banner of the stars, a romance/space opera; and of course most (but not quite all) mecha shows.
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