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Hayami
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I agree with you on his lawyer Eric Chase (or whoever from him team talked Chris into pleading) and United Defense Group - if your / AnimeFriend's / Justice's information is correct. http://www.icaruscomics.com/wp_web/?p=2930&cpage=1#comment-45193 Justice on May 16, 2009 at 11:43 am
http://www.japanator.com/elephant/post.phtml?pk=9978#comments AnimeFriend on May 21, 2009
AnimeFriend on May 22, 2009
But I also agree with mangablog's advice:
It would be nice if Handley or anyone who knows him personally yet not afraid to use his/her real name could confirm it. I disagree about CBLDF. See http://www.comicsreporter.com/index.php/cbldf_charles_brownstein_on_the_christopher_handley_case_and_yesterdays_ana/ & http://www.cbldf.org/pr/archives/000390.shtml May be they could try to give him an advice, but they couldn't know that the lawyers who should aid and defend Handley would mislead/deceive him. |
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Hayami
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Matt Thorn's blog post including two letters by Christopher Handley’s mother (May 24, 2009 & May 26, 2009) :
http://matt-thorn.com/wordpress/?p=318 |
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Hayami
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Lovely, they made Matt remove the letters.
It was the only not anonymous article on the net that allowed us to view this case from the perspective of Christopher's family. Now yet again we're left with a bunch of speculations and a myriad of news reports "Handley pleads guilty". Way to go. (the link to the google cache of the original article by Matt removed) Last edited by Hayami on Thu May 28, 2009 10:13 am; edited 2 times in total |
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DFBTG
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I'm deeply disappointed about this, but...well, it's his decision. On another note, for those still thinking about donating to the CBLDF, apparently you can donate tickets to them via Microsoft's live search club. If you don't have money to spare, but time to kill, might as well play the boring games to get tickets. Of course with the case being all but over, is it really necessary? Sure, it may happen again later, but given what did occur, I'm not sure how many other potential 'criminals' would be willing to stand up and fight.
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GATSU
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Hayami: I'm sure there's a reason for those letters being removed, so let's respect the privacy of certain individuals.
Anyway, I just love that a government willing to create rapists on the basis of porn doesn't want to prosecute or expose real rape it condoned against detainees. |
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Hayami
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I can understand your concerns, GATSU. But I wouldn't say that I was disrespectful of Matt's or Beverly's privacy since originally she agreed with the publication of these letters. I'm not sure whether I would want to get it removed from the net entirely if I was in the same situation (and obviously I don't even know what exactly happened). But as of now it's the only chance for people to learn the truth. So many have the wrong image of Christopher, so many blame him for pleading guilty
Now, if you mean the privacy of these who issued the "gag orders" (even though it weren't court orders or alike) ... Either way I removed it to avoid further controversy. |
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GATSU
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I'm not sure if she agreed with the letters being published as much as being shared with individuals who might be able to help her son.
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Hayami
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I would have never linked it otherwise. I would rather delete the quotes above, but I can't do if you leave your post as it is. You could have just checked the cache or PMed me if you don't have the link anymore. Btw. I even posted in AN today to correct the wrong info that Handley was on probation for real CP - even though it's about the most hostile place on the net for my kind and I avoided it for years. I truly wish to help him to avoid being slandered or/and misunderstood. |
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Mitsuho
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Two questions I have are:
1) What are the titles he imported? 2) How long did the give him after he opened the package? Last edited by Mitsuho on Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:13 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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GATSU
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Hayami: Then maybe certain lawyers or judges told her to quash the letters?
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tyciol
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This has got to be the most ridiculous misrepresentation. The way the media words it, like always, it so alarm people. They make it sound like he was drawing real children like Jack drew Rose or something like that, when really it is a bunch of artists overseas scouring their own imaginations.
Speaking of Titanic, even though the actress was an adult, I do believe Rose the character was 17, and even if her posing nude was not porn, surely the sex scene with her was, so therefore, shouldn't everyone who owns that movie be arrested? How ridiculous do we get? This stupid alarmism, the whole idea of obscenity and the selectiveness when it can be applied. This is basically legislating the ability to hate someone into jail. |
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red255
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Glancing at the plea he signed, what he pled guilty to were 2 charges, both with no minimum penalty, and with a maximum penalty of 10 and 5 years with 250,000 maximum fine (each) +3 years parole.
Likely signing that, judging those were lost causes and making a more speedy trial would get the judge to give him a lesser sentence. The protect act: http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2003/April/03_ag_266.htm Was made to better police 'virtual' child porn. not virtual child porn, but child porn that was claimed to be virtual. ....Its not exactly the legislators fault here. |
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Hayami
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Like Neil Gaiman said, the Law is a huge blunt weapon. If you make "obscene" cartoons illegal, sooner or later you'll get someone jailed just for that, cartoons. The modified § 2256 is fully sufficient to achieve the goal you stated, see (8) and (11). Adding § 1466A not because they considered this kind of "obscenity" truly dangerous (as in a sincere attempt to ban the books which might eventually fuel the urges of the "wrong crowd") but rather as a workaround to "nail" alleged CP collectors would be even a worse kind of injustice. |
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red255
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If the police force was capable of getting people justly it wouldn't have to resort to this.
Its not a job for our best and brightest. Lawyers, as they are paid the most and deal with the most specific and personal level of this are the ones who really drop the ball if they let something slide. I mean which guy in congress WOULD you trust with a sharp instrument? maybe you like a few of them, but these guys aren't the sharpest tools in the shed. You want to blame them go ahead. but when the whole lot of them aren't good at their job, its the system's fault. |
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tyciol
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I remember Neil Gaiman made a couple blog posts about this, I wonder if he and the CBLDF have any plans on continuing work, or maybe the issue dropped?
http://journal.neilgaiman.com/ Just checking up on it, I don't see any recent posts. I guess I can't blame him, guy leads a busy life, but it was just so epic in real time when he was standing up for this issue. |
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